pnies20 Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 3 hours ago, MWil23 said: I'd hire Josh McDaniels just so I could fire him. Top 5 post Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pnies20 Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 Campbell, Richard, stefanski or bienemy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malibuspeedrace Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 1 hour ago, NateDawg said: Help yourself. We Browns fans are in this misery together. Thanks 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedTheClock Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 We need a new age offense of coach that knows how to utilize great athletes in space. That is what a baker Mayfield offense should be doing. Give me a young guy with spread tendencies. I would hire Lincoln Riley 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWil23 Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 @NateDawg called me childish and stupid for loving Pepe the Frog and now you're rocking a fantastic avitar. @LETSGOBROWNIES piggy backing off of the Charlie Brown references for the last 5-10 years in this forum, and I've decided to rep the "Why is Daddy sad on Sundays?" coloring book avatar as well. GOOD TIMES. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LETSGOBROWNIES Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 11 minutes ago, MWil23 said: @NateDawg called me childish and stupid for loving Pepe the Frog and now you're rocking a fantastic avitar. @LETSGOBROWNIES piggy backing off of the Charlie Brown references for the last 5-10 years in this forum, and I've decided to rep the "Why is Daddy sad on Sundays?" coloring book avatar as well. GOOD TIMES. **** this team. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mind Character Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 Crap... my bad @cortes02 I didn't see that you already made "New Coaching search thread." To avoid confusion this thread will be the main "New Coaching Search Thread" and I'll rename the one I made to a One off Poll Thread and change the name of it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mind Character Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 (edited) We have to break free from the insanity of just going after the hot name coordinator that is not an elite program/culture leader. ----- I've made the point as have many others that last year's coaching search was at minimum a farce and at worst a travesty. We fired our HC 8 games into the season and had half the season to come up with a finalist list of candidates to interview. The candidates ended up being: 1.) Gregg Williams, 2.) Brian Flores, 3.) Matt Eberflus, 4.) Jim Caldwell, 5.) Kevin Stefanski, 6.) Dan Campbell, 7.) Freddie Kitchens, 8.) Requested to interview but did not formally interview Nick Sirianni. None for various reasons were thought to be elite program/culture leaders. All except for Gregg and Caldwell were inexperienced requiring a steep learning curve. It seemed clear post-search: John Dorsey likely wanted to hire a first time coach who couldn't challenge his power and/or gain leverage to fire him like Andy Reid in KC, and/or key decision makers saw Freddie as their guy early and sought to interview candidates closer to his level of recent coordinator experience. ----------- We have to buck two negatives trends in coaching hires/searches in the NFL if we're going to have any success going forward: 1.) We have to break free from narrowing our focus on seeking out the new shiny, hot-name coordinator as HC and assuming success as a coordinator will translate to success as a HC --AND-- 2.) We have to break free from the trend to simply hire NFL retreads just because they have NFL experience. Maybe we luck out b/c there doesn't seem to be the new hot shiny coordinator in the league so maybe we won't be fooled into those false hope hires. We need a proven elite program/culture leader head coach with the ability to hire an elite QB coach and OC.Likely, we'll have to turn our eyes away from the NFL when it comes to the HC position to get that culture leaders, but we can supplement that HC with NFL coaches on their staff to alleviate concerns. Some Elite Program/Culture Leaders with Situational, Creative, & High-Level Program/Culture-Building Prowess (Multi-year trends not just based on current record/success): Urban Meyer Dan Mullen Chris Peterson David Shaw Matt Rhule Jim Harbaugh Matt Campbell Pat Fitzgerald Lincoln Riley ---- Being a Head Coach is so much more than X & O's. The coach has to be a visionary, a tactician, a creative administrator of a learning program for human beings of a wide-variety of personalities and sensibilities, the HC has to be an elite worker, they have to surround themselves with creative genius, they have to command respect for daily progression through an engaging habit-training systematic program, and so much more. These HC's get paid multiple millions of dollars and don't have to step on the field of play so what sets them apart are their habits of thought and behavior, their analysis and problem-solving acumen, and their ability to lead/set an agenda for a big group of human beings who then feel compelled to follow through with the plan. We have the attractive talent that many coaches would love to coach. The candidates need to be able to prove that they can get an elite staff around them. We have to be able to finally get an elite program/culture leader HC... one that is elite at the things that make great head coaches even if they aren't directly calling defensive, offensive, special teams plays Edited December 30, 2019 by Mind Character Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWil23 Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 1 minute ago, LETSGOBROWNIES said: **** this team. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roger murdock Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 Ironically I'd love to bring back Pettine. I think he was actually a legit coach cursed with a bumbling fool of a GM. I doubt Haslem would want him though. Names I expect us to consider: Marvin Lewis, Jim Caldwell, Mike McCarthy, Matt Nagy (if fired), Dan Campbell - I think it needs to be someone with prior head coaching experience. These guys all check the boxes with stronger organizational skills than we are used to and have a calming presence. Marvin and Jim have both succeeded in toxic situations before as well. I'd be interested in Riley or McDaniels but they won't be interested in us. That Stefanski guy is probably the favorite if we almost hired him last year but thats super uninspiring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roger murdock Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 I saw this comment on reddit and it rang true. Imagine that guy you work with. Hes around 50. He's been doing the same job for 20 years. He's pretty good at it. People like him. Now imagine he gets promoted to CEO because the owner likes him. Thats essentially exactly what we did with Freddie. He didnt have the skillset for a leadership position. He didnt have the drive. He was never considered or taken seriously for any level of higher responsibility until we gave him 10x more money to run the ship. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hornbybrown Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 I like Riley and Meyer if they can get good coordinators with them 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AkronsWitness Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 (edited) 47 minutes ago, hornbybrown said: I like Riley and Meyer if they can get good coordinators with them I listened to Joel Klatt that made a good point about Meyer and how he would not be a good NFL coach because his entire offense revolves around mobile QBs that can run in the spread. Basically saying that unless you hand him a Lamar Jackson type talent that his offense wouldnt work in the NFL the way it does in CFB. I vote that they go grovel back to McCarthey and pray he still has interest. Edited November 5, 2019 by AkronsWitness Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwibrown Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 22 minutes ago, AkronsWitness said: I listened to Joel Klatt that made a good point about Meyer and how he would not be a good NFL coach because his entire offense revolves around mobile QBs that can run in the spread. Basically saying that unless you hand him a Lamar Jackson type talent that his offense wouldnt work in the NFL the way it does in CFB. I vote that they go grovel back to McCarthey and pray he still has interest. Urban Meyer and an offensive coordinator? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hornbybrown Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 21 minutes ago, AkronsWitness said: I listened to Joel Klatt that made a good point about Meyer and how he would not be a good NFL coach because his entire offense revolves around mobile QBs that can run in the spread. Basically saying that unless you hand him a Lamar Jackson type talent that his offense wouldnt work in the NFL the way it does in CFB. I vote that they go grovel back to McCarthey and pray he still has interest. With Meyer I’m not wanting to run his offense. That’s why I want good coordinators. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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