Mind Character Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, Browns1987 said: What has Dorsey done to be safe? If you decided to tie-down a christmas tree in your truck to make sure its secured on the highway drive home only to see it fly out of the truck bed because the rope-harness you used to secure the tree was faulty due to manufacturer defect, it wouldn't mean that your decision to attempt to tie-down the tree to secure it was wrong. Outcomes mean a lot for the quality of decisions, but often the quality of logic behind the decision at the time you made it is what matters most. When evaluating GMs or personnel execs, the rationale and logic behind decisions should be evaluated to see if it was sound, as well as the outcome. The draft record is the draft record. By the time you get to pick 32 in the 1st round, the hit-rate/success rate is less than 47% for GMs in the league. After that, it keeps declining incrementally before experiencing a hard fall-off after mid-round 2. It's absolutely true that during the same time other GMs have performed better than Dorsey in comparative hit-rates and many have them have done so without the draft capital Dorsey had to work with. Here's a wide variety of significant things/decisions (good or bad) Dorsey has made since being hired: Cut Kenny Britt Traded DL Danny Shelton and 2018 5th-round pick to New England in exchange for 2019 3rd-round pick Traded QB DeShone Kizer and swapped to lower 4th and 5th round picks to Green Bay in exchange for DB Damarious Randall. Traded 2018 3rd-round pick to Buffalo in exchange for QB Tyrod Taylor Traded 2018 4th-round pick and 2019 7th-round pick to Miami in exchange for WR Jarvis Landry Traded QB Kevin Hogan and 2018 6th-round pick (No. 205) to Washington in exchange for 2018 6th-round pick (No. 188) Signed unrestricted free agent DB T.J. Carrie Signed unrestricted free agent RB Carlos Hyde; Later Trades Carlos Hyde to Jacksonville Jaguars in exchange for a 2019 5th-round pick. Signed unrestricted free agent DB Terrance Mitchell Signed unrestricted free agent OL Chris Hubbard Hired Todd Haley; Todd Haley Hires Freddie Kitchens; Freddie Kitchens Hires Ryan Lindley as RB coach Allowed Freddie to make Ryan Lindley QB Coach later. Cut Carl Nassib Cut LB Jamie Collins Sr. Signed OL Greg Robinson to be starting LT. Acquired WR Odell Beckham Jr. and DL Olivier Vernon from the New York Giants in exchange for OL Kevin Zeitler, DB Jabrill Peppers, 2019 1st-round pick (Dexter Lawrence) and a 3rd-round pick (Oshane Ximines) Traded Emmanuel Ogbah for Eric Murray. Signed DL Sheldon Richardson Signed OG Eric Kush to start at RG if Corbett couldnt cut it after Zeitler was traded away. Signed DB Juston Burris off New York Jets' practice squad Came out in the Media and said "Duke's not expendable yet." Despite fans acting like Duke wanted out before, Duke corrects the record and accurately states that he didn't request a trade or wasn't discontented until after Dorsey spoke his true feelings. Traded RB Duke Johnson Jr. to Houston Texans for 2020 3rd round draft pick Acquired G Wyatt Teller and a 2021 7th-round pick from Buffalo Bills in exchange for a 2020 5th-round pick and a 2020 6th-round pickA Traded C Austin Corbett to Los Angeles Rams in exchange for a bag of doritoes Traded DE Genard Avery to Philadelphia Eagles in exchange for an undisclosed bag of funions. Edited December 29, 2019 by Mind Character 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwibrown Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 We got screwed with nyg trades if obj doesnt turn a corner next year. They have 3 contributing players from it, we barely have 1. Cutting nassib really hurts us, same with avery. Hiring Freddie was the worst move. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browns1987 Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 4 hours ago, Mind Character said: If you decided to tie-down a christmas tree in your truck to make sure its secured on the highway drive home only to see it fly out of the truck bed because the rope-harness you used to secure the tree was faulty due to manufacturer defect, it wouldn't mean that your decision to attempt to tie-down the tree to secure it was wrong. Outcomes mean a lot for the quality of decisions, but often the quality of logic behind the decision at the time you made it is what matters most. When evaluating GMs or personnel execs, the rationale and logic behind decisions should be evaluated to see if it was sound, as well as the outcome. The draft record is the draft record. By the time you get to pick 32 in the 1st round, the hit-rate/success rate is less than 47% for GMs in the league. After that, it keeps declining incrementally before experiencing a hard fall-off after mid-round 2. It's absolutely true that during the same time other GMs have performed better than Dorsey in comparative hit-rates and many have them have done so without the draft capital Dorsey had to work with.. He didnt hit on a single player after pick #35. Thats inexcusable to any GM, let alone one that is supposed to be good and had his draft capital. And thank you for reminding me of that waste of a 3rd rounder for Taylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdrawkcab321 Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 9 hours ago, Kiwibrown said: We got screwed with nyg trades if obj doesnt turn a corner next year. They have 3 contributing players from it, we barely have 1. Cutting nassib really hurts us, same with avery. Hiring Freddie was the worst move. We’d have the best one if he got the ball 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candyman93 Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 I’d take Ryan Day over Freddie. He’s going to be a great one. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dawgdish Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 I'm intrigued by the thought of bringing Greg Roman in for a HC interview. He's had success with different QBs as an offensive coordinator, building systems around their strengths, and also is always strong in the running game, which with our stable of backs could be devastating. Plus, if we do hire him, it would be robbing our division rival of a major asset. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdrawkcab321 Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 10 minutes ago, dawgdish said: I'm intrigued by the thought of bringing Greg Roman in for a HC interview. He's had success with different QBs as an offensive coordinator, building systems around their strengths, and also is always strong in the running game, which with our stable of backs could be devastating. Plus, if we do hire him, it would be robbing our division rival of a major asset. But can he lead and manage a game 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mistakey Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 10 hours ago, Kiwibrown said: We got screwed with nyg trades if obj doesnt turn a corner next year. They have 3 contributing players from it, we barely have 1. Cutting nassib really hurts us, same with avery. Hiring Freddie was the worst move. Bro Avery has done nothing. Barely even plays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LETSGOBROWNIES Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 5 minutes ago, mistakey said: Bro Avery has done nothing. Barely even plays. I don’t understand it at all, kid looked great as a rookie. Did he get fat? Lazy? Too stupid to pick up the schemes? Idk, but he looked solid as hell as a rookie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdrawkcab321 Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 Just now, LETSGOBROWNIES said: I don’t understand it at all, kid looked great as a rookie. Did he get fat? Lazy? Too stupid to pick up the schemes? Idk, but he looked solid as hell as a rookie. Probably just didn’t fit the scheme. Wilks benched him day one because he doesn’t know how to adapt. I wouldn’t blame him at all. I think he’d still be a very good player if given the change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mind Character Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 5 minutes ago, mistakey said: Bro Avery has done nothing. Barely even plays. The fact that Avery didn't play for the Eagles after arriving there in week 9 doesn't matter at all. He could've played for us and made a high quality impact. Jim Schwartz isn't the type of DC to give tons of snaps to a guy that hasn't been around to learn things over players that have put in the work and acquired knowledge of the defense all season at position group where he feels like he already has his guys. The Eagles give all their snaps to: 1.) a Big $ Free Agent signing in Brandon Graham, 2.) a top 15 draft pick in Derek Barnett, 3.) Vinny Curry, 4.) Their own 4th round draft pick Josh Sweat, and 5.) Their long-term project wide-9 talent Daeshon Hall. If Avery arrived in the off-season or early season, he would've had a shot. By week 9, he wasn't up to speed with the defense until week 12/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mind Character Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 (edited) 36 minutes ago, LETSGOBROWNIES said: I don’t understand it at all, kid looked great as a rookie. Did he get fat? Lazy? Too stupid to pick up the schemes? Idk, but he looked solid as hell as a rookie. Howie Roseman acquires players a year before they are needed especially when key components of their current roster are Free Agents. Vinny Curry is a free agent this off-season; and Derek Barnett is heading into his final contract year. The Eagles already had 4 really good pass rushers or one's they've invested a lot in (Brandon Graham, Derek Barnett, Vinny Curry, Josh Sweat) and 1 developmental college production guy (Daeshon Hall). Avery arrived in week 9 of the season. He wasn't ever going to on a lot of snaps this season especially when Jim Schwartz is an old-school, loyalist to the players that put in the blood sweat and tears in the off-season and during the early season learning his scheme. Edited December 29, 2019 by Mind Character Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mistakey Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 1 hour ago, Mind Character said: The fact that Avery didn't play for the Eagles after arriving there in week 9 doesn't matter at all. He could've played for us and made a high quality impact. Jim Schwartz isn't the type of DC to give tons of snaps to a guy that hasn't been around to learn things over players that have put in the work and acquired knowledge of the defense all season at position group where he feels like he already has his guys. The Eagles give all their snaps to: 1.) a Big $ Free Agent signing in Brandon Graham, 2.) a top 15 draft pick in Derek Barnett, 3.) Vinny Curry, 4.) Their own 4th round draft pick Josh Sweat, and 5.) Their long-term project wide-9 talent Daeshon Hall. If Avery arrived in the off-season or early season, he would've had a shot. By week 9, he wasn't up to speed with the defense until week 12/ Na , likely the dude just isn’t gon be good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwibrown Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 2 hours ago, mistakey said: Bro Avery has done nothing. Barely even plays. He was good year 1, not giving up on him yet. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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