marshpit23 Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 21 hours ago, Hyperborean said: Uncle Buck. Now there's a name--and a scantily clad female--I remember. It was probably a different female last time I was on, but still. Possibly Samantha Ponder 🤔 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Buck Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 On 1/16/2020 at 7:02 PM, vike daddy said: oooh, maybe we can get a Ryan Leaf! or sam Darnold or Mitch Trubuisky! how about Goff or Winston? Bortles and Manziel! Jamarcus Russell or Vince Young!! those are all qb's who went 1st or 2nd in their draft class. We're probably all aware that there is no "sure thing" when it comes to finding a QB, but the numbers bear out that those picked high in the draft have a lower bust rate than those who are taken later. If you don't like taking the 1st or 2nd QB in the draft, just take a look at what teams got with the 3rd QB taken over the last 30 years. The list below shows us that only 2 of these players have gone on to win a Super Bowl. 2019 - Dwayne Haskins 2018 - Josh Allen 2017 - Deshaun Watson 2016 - Paxton Lynch 2015 - Garrett Grayson 2014 - Teddy Bridgewater 2013 - Mike Glennon 2012 - Ryan Tannehill 2011 - Blaine Gabbert 2010 - Jimmy Clausen 2009 - Josh Freeman 2008 - Brian Brohm 2007 - Kevin Kolb 2006 - Jay Cutler 2005 - Jason Campbell 2004 - Ben Roethlisberger 2003 - Kyle Boller 2002 - Patrick Ramsey 2001 - Quincy Carter 2000 - Chris Redmon 1999 - Akili Smith 1998 - Charlie Batch 1997 - Danny Wuerffel 1996 - Jeff Lewis 1995 - Todd Collins 1994 - Perry Klein 1993 - Billy Joe Hobert 1992 - Matt Blunden 1991 - Brett Favre 1990 - Tom Hodson 1989 - Billy Joe Tolliver Quarterbacks drafted by the Vikings in the last 30 years: Teddy Bridgewater - 3rd QB taken - 32nd overall pick Christian Ponder - 4th QB taken - 12th overall pick Joe Webb - 10th QB taken - 199th overall pick John David Booty - 6th QB taken - 137th overall pick Tyler Thigpen - 10th QB taken - 217th overall pick Tarvaris Jackson - 5th QB taken - 64th overall pick Daunte Culpepper - 4th QB taken - 11th overall pick Chad May - 8th QB taken - 111th overall pick Gino Torretta - 5th QB taken - 192nd overall pick Brad Johnson - 13th QB taken - 227th overall pick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolmonite26 Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 3 hours ago, Hyperborean said: You're right. All of those teams except Minnesota are offensive minded franchises. He still thinks defense wins championships. Thats pretty clearly the wrong takeaway, but I suspect you already know that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolmonite26 Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 1 hour ago, Uncle Buck said: We're probably all aware that there is no "sure thing" when it comes to finding a QB, but the numbers bear out that those picked high in the draft have a lower bust rate than those who are taken later I think this pretty much sums up why the Vikings are in such a tough spot for 2020 lol. They know they have something Cousin, buy they also have to know that they've over invested in him. Or at least that they don't have the resources to create a situation he can truly thrive in. They should know this because this season should have been enough for him and he still struggled when it mattered most. But in order to secure a high draft pick to get a QB they essentially would be forgoing the 2020 season soooooooo..... Quandary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vike daddy Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Uncle Buck said: We're probably all aware that there is no "sure thing" when it comes to finding a QB, but the numbers bear out that those picked high in the draft have a lower bust rate than those who are taken later. that is correct, yes. but what is the percentage of QB's taken 1st and 2nd in their class that become excellent, as opposed to those who wash out? Edited January 18, 2020 by vike daddy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikesfan89 Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 6 hours ago, Virginia Viking said: Maybe. However, I am 59 years old, overweight, asthmatic, arthritic, and I can feel my arteries hardening. I really don't care about making the playoffs if it doesn't end in hoisting a Lombardi. You and others might be satisfied with winning records and making the playoffs, but that's no longer enough for me. Any season that doesn't end being the last team standing is "underachieving." You'd probably live longer if you didn't focus on them winning a super bowl so much 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Buck Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 8 hours ago, vike daddy said: that is correct, yes. but what is the percentage of QB's taken 1st and 2nd in their class that become excellent, as opposed to those who wash out? Admittedly, the percentage is low in any round. There just aren't many players who go on to become great quarterbacks. At the same time, we have tried just about every other option. If we want to eventually win a Super Bowl, I think we will finally have to move up and draft a blue-chip prospect to give us a chance. We could point to all the good QBs who were taken later in the draft, but there is a LOT of luck that goes into getting a player like that. It hasn't happened to us in our history, and it could be a long wait if that's all we have to hope for. I think it's time to be proactive because it is becoming more and more of a passing league as time goes by. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CriminalMind Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 I've been an advocate of drafting QB in a high round for a while, alternatively drafting a QB in r3\r4 every single year for multiple years straight (yes, that's how important the position is) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twslhs20 Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 18 hours ago, vikesfan89 said: You'd probably live longer if you didn't focus on them winning a super bowl so much If the team doesn't win a super bowl then it's just another episode of Who's Line is it Anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SemperFeist Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 7 hours ago, twslhs20 said: If the team doesn't win a super bowl then it's just another episode of Who's Line is it Anyway. Which is still entertaining. The overall purpose of sports. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SotanKing Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 This Niners offense is a good example of how blocking is much bigger factor than the actual Running Back when it comes to rushing....they have undrafted RBs but they still generate so many positive plays and yards on every run due to superior blocking scheme. Which is why giving a big contract to Cook isn't a wise choice. This OLine isn't good. It's proven so many times over the last 3 years that Cook can't do much if the blocking isn't good. Cook also isn't an great receiver or blocker. Instead of giving that contract to Dalvin, I really hope Speilman smartly invests that money in OLine 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelKing728 Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 4 hours ago, upriser7 said: This Niners offense is a good example of how blocking is much bigger factor than the actual Running Back when it comes to rushing....they have undrafted RBs but they still generate so many positive plays and yards on every run due to superior blocking scheme. Which is why giving a big contract to Cook isn't a wise choice. This OLine isn't good. It's proven so many times over the last 3 years that Cook can't do much if the blocking isn't good. Cook also isn't an great receiver or blocker. Instead of giving that contract to Dalvin, I really hope Speilman smartly invests that money in OLine I totally agree, but Cook puts people in seats. Its all about the money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrplChilPill Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 On 1/16/2020 at 4:52 PM, Dolmonite26 said: I need better understanding of why moving on from Zimmer makes sense to anyone? Is it mostly just "a big games" argument? Because they aren't getting better the longer he is here. Because they aren't so good they are favored in playoff games. Because winning 8-10 games, but then losing in the t playoffs because you aren't all that good is not exciting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrplChilPill Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 12 hours ago, upriser7 said: This Niners offense is a good example of how blocking is much bigger factor than the actual Running Back when it comes to rushing....they have undrafted RBs but they still generate so many positive plays and yards on every run due to superior blocking scheme. Which is why giving a big contract to Cook isn't a wise choice. This OLine isn't good. It's proven so many times over the last 3 years that Cook can't do much if the blocking isn't good. Cook also isn't an great receiver or blocker. Instead of giving that contract to Dalvin, I really hope Speilman smartly invests that money in OLine 100 percent this. Trade Dalvin! Get some good OL. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrplChilPill Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 8 hours ago, SteelKing728 said: I totally agree, but Cook puts people in seats. Its all about the money. Are you suggesting they won't sell out of cook isn't there? Disagree. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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