eh3034 Posted April 27, 2022 Share Posted April 27, 2022 9 minutes ago, Dr LBC said: Also, some teams factor in positional-value into the equation no matter what. They're not going to have ANY R1 grades on an NT unless they have the testing, tape, and production of a Haloti Ngata or Vita Vea. They're not going to have a R1 grade on an off-ball LB that isn't a Patrick Willis or Luke Kuechly. They're not going to have a R1 grade on a safety that isn't Sean Taylor or a Woodson type (it's an viable reason why a prospect like Derwin James fell to #17 in his class). If a prospect at a non-premium position isn't an out-and-out Top 3-5 prospect in his class AND the difference between him and what the team perceives as the "next best" 1-3 prospects at his respective position, some GM's just flatly are going to temper their grades accordingly. One other thing to keep in mind is scheme fit. I see a lot of players as "scheme specific" players this year. When doing an overall NFL draft evaluation, I think there are easily 32 players that deserve 1st round grades. However, if I do the same exercise for a specific team, I'm going to be dropping several of those players down the board (or off the board entirely) because they don't fit. For example, a team like Seattle probably has a true 1st round grade on Linderbaum, while a team like Baltimore might not even have him in their board at all. Teams could also drop guys based on need. With specifics to Dallas since they were the catalyst for this topic, they may not have a 1st round grade on Kyle Hamilton because they already have Jayron Kearse, who is a nearly identical player, and you'd never play them together, so Hamilton doesn't bring them 1st round value. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minutemancl Posted April 27, 2022 Share Posted April 27, 2022 This would be wild. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texansfan713 Posted April 27, 2022 Share Posted April 27, 2022 Just now, minutemancl said: This would be wild. Work computer wont allow me to see. What did he say? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trojan Posted April 27, 2022 Share Posted April 27, 2022 4 minutes ago, Texansfan713 said: Work computer wont allow me to see. What did he say? 1. edge, Walker/Thibodeaux 2. Walker/Thibodeaux 3. Assuming first two Stingley the jags teaser lightened has Hutchinson 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texansfan713 Posted April 27, 2022 Share Posted April 27, 2022 2 minutes ago, Trojan said: 1. edge, Walker/Thibodeaux 2. Walker/Thibodeaux 3. Assuming first two Stingley the jags teaser lightened has Hutchinson Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingseanjohn Posted April 27, 2022 Share Posted April 27, 2022 6 minutes ago, Trojan said: 1. edge, Walker/Thibodeaux 2. Walker/Thibodeaux 3. Assuming first two Stingley the jags teaser lightened has Hutchinson Stingley at 3? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Buzz Posted April 27, 2022 Share Posted April 27, 2022 Yet another guy saying Walker tops a board w/ Detroit. Feels like it wasn’t actually a massive jump up boards but in reality the media and “fanalysts” just caught up to how teams felt at the combine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trojan Posted April 27, 2022 Share Posted April 27, 2022 1 minute ago, kingseanjohn said: Stingley at 3? I find it hard to believe if it opens Walker into Thibodeaux that Houston wouldnt take Hutchinson. Johnson probably goes 4th in that case imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eh3034 Posted April 27, 2022 Share Posted April 27, 2022 Pelissero just put out there that Kaiir Elam is moving up the boards and is expected "at worst" to be the 4th CB taken. This would put him clearly ahead of Booth and Gordon, as well as potentially above McDuffie as well (if true). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eh3034 Posted April 27, 2022 Share Posted April 27, 2022 6 minutes ago, kingseanjohn said: Stingley at 3? The Stingley at #3 pick has really started to take off in the last 24-48 hours. I was sure they would be going Sauce here, but now I'm not so sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldfishwars Posted April 27, 2022 Author Share Posted April 27, 2022 32 minutes ago, Texansfan713 said: Work computer wont allow me to see. What did he say? Walker then Thib seems to be all the buzz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul-mac Posted April 27, 2022 Share Posted April 27, 2022 7 minutes ago, goldfishwars said: Walker then Thib seems to be all the buzz I reckon Thibodeaux is a media creation (at least as a top 5 pick). He will end up going in the back end of the top 10 at the very earliest. Walker, Hutchinson, one of the corners (more likely Stingley, but maybe Sauce), then a run of 3 straight tackles, the other corner at 7, then it starts getting interesting from the Falcons onwards (I’ve heard they love Drake London. But could they slide back a few picks and still get him?) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eh3034 Posted April 27, 2022 Share Posted April 27, 2022 3 minutes ago, paul-mac said: I reckon Thibodeaux is a media creation (at least as a top 5 pick). He will end up going in the back end of the top 10 at the very earliest. Walker, Hutchinson, one of the corners (more likely Stingley, but maybe Sauce), then a run of 3 straight tackles, the other corner at 7, then it starts getting interesting from the Falcons onwards (I’ve heard they love Drake London. But could they slide back a few picks and still get him?) That's a very real possibility for a top 7, wouldn't surprise me at all. The Falcons could go many directions (Thibs, Johnson, any top 3 WR) but I really do think Willis is still a strong possibility at 8 for them. Seattle would really be in a tough spot though if all three OL and both CBs are gone by 9. Do they trade out, grab Johnson/Thibs, or maybe even reach for Penning in that scenario? Could that scenario make the Jordan Davis semi-buzz at 9 a reality? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul-mac Posted April 27, 2022 Share Posted April 27, 2022 8 minutes ago, eh3034 said: That's a very real possibility for a top 7, wouldn't surprise me at all. The Falcons could go many directions (Thibs, Johnson, any top 3 WR) but I really do think Willis is still a strong possibility at 8 for them. Seattle would really be in a tough spot though if all three OL and both CBs are gone by 9. Do they trade out, grab Johnson/Thibs, or maybe even reach for Penning in that scenario? Could that scenario make the Jordan Davis semi-buzz at 9 a reality? I’ve heard a name connected with Seattle at 9 that will legitimately shock the world Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Buzz Posted April 27, 2022 Share Posted April 27, 2022 Brought this up a while back and saw it today on the TL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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