mission27 Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 1 hour ago, LETSGOBROWNIES said: Yeah this is where I think people are not getting it, the goal was never to stay at home and the virus will go away. The world just can’t shut down in hopes of something that (honestly) isn’t a guarantee to be effective. Obviously we need to monitor healthcare ability and some stuff can’t reopen yet for obvious reasons (amusement parks, etc) but we need to start with the basics and see how things go. Masks and hand sanitizer need to be “edc” items for everyone moving forward and if things start going sideways again and we have hotspots, another 2-3 week lockdown will, and should, happen. Hopefully 2-3 week lockdowns in the future can be limited in geographic scope too. Now that we know a little more and have better (not perfect) testing capacity, and given this stuff will continue to get better and better, I dont think there's any reason the entire country needs to shut down because 1 city has a spike in case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TVScout Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 Another daily update. Article should be free: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/04/03/upshot/coronavirus-metro-area-tracker.html?campaign_id=168&emc=edit_NN_p_20200428&instance_id=17997&nl=morning-briefing®i_id=127802529§ion=topNews&segment_id=26118&te=1&user_id=0ec3b530f45ff5c070e34ae9b6fc8ea1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LETSGOBROWNIES Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 31 minutes ago, mission27 said: Hopefully 2-3 week lockdowns in the future can be limited in geographic scope too. Now that we know a little more and have better (not perfect) testing capacity, and given this stuff will continue to get better and better, I dont think there's any reason the entire country needs to shut down because 1 city has a spike in case. Yeah that’s what I mean, cities, counties, perhaps a state at most. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acowboys62 Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 32 minutes ago, LETSGOBROWNIES said: Yeah that’s what I mean, cities, counties, perhaps a state at most. This. If NYC sees another spike, seems unfair to shut down the entire state of NY given how big it is. Obviously the monitoring of such a thing is very hard in our country but still, they need to take a more specific approach to this thing for the follow up spikes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 ‘Unprecedented Damage To The Economy’; Area Politician And Businesses Challenge Pa. Governor Tom Wolf With U.S. Supreme Court Pa. senators demand Wolf produce records about shutdown waiver program, threaten subpoena Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glen Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 2 hours ago, Danger said: ‘Unprecedented Damage To The Economy’; Area Politician And Businesses Challenge Pa. Governor Tom Wolf With U.S. Supreme Court Pa. senators demand Wolf produce records about shutdown waiver program, threaten subpoena Love how it’s still Economy > Lives for some of these people 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramssuperbowl99 Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 2 hours ago, Danger said: ‘Unprecedented Damage To The Economy’; Area Politician And Businesses Challenge Pa. Governor Tom Wolf With U.S. Supreme Court Pa. senators demand Wolf produce records about shutdown waiver program, threaten subpoena Quote In the court filing, the campaign for Allegheny County Republican Danny DeVito, a state house candidate, along with some local businesses, say what Gov. Wolf is doing is causing “unprecedented damage to the economy.” 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LETSGOBROWNIES Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 11 minutes ago, Glen said: Love how it’s still Economy > Lives for some of these people Not defending politicians, but I think most people realIze it can be both. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDBrocks Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 (edited) 7 hours ago, MWil23 said: Here's the reality: We HAVE flattened the curve and our hospitals are not overloaded any longer. Gradual reintroduction is necessary and the point, not 18-22 months of quarantine so that "no one else gets it". Let's be nuanced when called for. My wife would laugh in your face if you said this to her. Hospitals are still operating with other units, sometimes 3-4 of them, converted into ICU wards. Drugs are still scarce. PPE is still being used longer than it should be. Reopening the economy in Chicago would be an absolute disaster right now. Reopening the economy is not an on/off toggle. Edited April 28, 2020 by JDBrocks 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glen Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 Just now, LETSGOBROWNIES said: Not defending politicians, but I think most people realIze it can be both. For all intents and purposes Wolf has listened to experts and has made it clear he’s looked to shut down all non essential businesses until the curve is flattened. Then after the fact gradually open businesses back up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theJ Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 35 minutes ago, JDBrocks said: Let's be nuanced when called for. My wife would laugh in your face if you said this to her. Hospitals are still operating with other units, sometimes 3-4 of them, converted into ICU wards. Drugs are still scarce. PPE is still being used longer than it should be. Reopening the economy in Chicago would be an absolute disaster right now. Reopening the economy is not an on/off toggle. There's an opposite faction that is also suffering because they're out of work and can't get money. It's not a small group of people either. Quite honestly - there's suffering all around, which is why this is a nuanced and complex discussion. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mission27 Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 https://www.ft.com/content/c03f61a9-2d16-47cc-8289-0c732a782dda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LETSGOBROWNIES Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 43 minutes ago, JDBrocks said: Let's be nuanced when called for. My wife would laugh in your face if you said this to her. Hospitals are still operating with other units, sometimes 3-4 of them, converted into ICU wards. Drugs are still scarce. PPE is still being used longer than it should be. Reopening the economy in Chicago would be an absolute disaster right now. Reopening the economy is not an on/off toggle. There are still spots struggling for sure, but my friends and former coworkers still working inpatient are getting low census as the hospitals don’t have patients in beds. This is in both Cincinnati and Cleveland. Is everywhere like this? No, not at all. And I’m aware the reason we don’t have those issues is because our governor was very proactive. At the same time though, just expecting people to sit in their house indefinitely isn’t a viable solution for a lot of people (not even talking about myself). I mean, goobers are protesting after 5-6 weeks. Imagine this after 3 months. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LETSGOBROWNIES Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 12 minutes ago, theJ said: There's an opposite faction that is also suffering because they're out of work and can't get money. It's not a small group of people either. Quite honestly - there's suffering all around, which is why this is a nuanced and complex discussion. Yeah there’s no good answer here. Theres a good answer for the economy, and there’s a good answer for health and healthcare, but it’s not that simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TLO Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 13 minutes ago, theJ said: There's an opposite faction that is also suffering because they're out of work and can't get money. It's not a small group of people either. Quite honestly - there's suffering all around, which is why this is a nuanced and complex discussion. Not to mention the MoL has had to postpone multiple summits of debauchery. Can’t put a price tag on that tbh 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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