Xenos Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 (edited) 13 minutes ago, rob_shadows said: Yeah it's just a complete coincidence that rising cases coincided with the time frame and that the age range having the most positive tests just so happens to be the same age range that dominates the crowds at the protests. Is it the sole reason? Absolutely not. But only an idiot would actually believe it's not a contributing factor. The age range are because of packed bars and not wearing masks. Largely because of reopening. And whatever contributing factor from the protests seem to be minimal. So not sure where you’re getting this false narrative. Also not sure where you got the info about the age range for protests. Edit: maybe you should reevaluate your idiot comment. Edited June 30, 2020 by Xenos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theJ Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 24 minutes ago, rob_shadows said: Yeah it's just a complete coincidence that rising cases coincided with the time frame and that the age range having the most positive tests just so happens to be the same age range that dominates the crowds at the protests. Is it the sole reason? Absolutely not. But only an idiot would actually believe it's not a contributing factor. Yeah but at the same time Minnesota hasn't seen an increase. So it's not that simple. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob_shadows Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 2 minutes ago, Xenos said: The age range are because of packed bars and not wearing masks. Largely because of reopening. And whatever contributing factor from the protests seem to be minimal. So not sure where you’re getting this false narrative. Also not sure where you got the info about the age range for protests. Edit: maybe you should evaluate your idiot comment. It's not a false narrative, it's common sense. Thousands of people standing shoulder to shoulder screaming at the top of their lungs is going to increase risk of spread. As far as the age range for protests all you have to do is look at a crowd and you can see pretty plainly what age range is most common. Not sure why some people insist on having studies or news reports to believe some things that are common knowledge, youth always dominates protests and civil unrest it's not just this wave. Also, it's easy to say there is "no evidence" to support them having an impact because we don't use widespread contact tracing in the u.s which is the only way to be sure. Again, I'm NOT saying that the protests are the only reason or even the biggest reason for rising cases but to actually think they aren't a factor is just not realistic. As far as how much of a factor who knows, we'll probably never know the answer to that for a variety of reasons. Ultimately it was a perfect storm that caused the recent spike, States started opening, summer weather hit widespread so people started going out more, people refusing to follow guidelines, etc... The protests just added fuel to the fire. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theJ Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 8 minutes ago, rob_shadows said: It's not a false narrative, it's common sense. Thousands of people standing shoulder to shoulder screaming at the top of their lungs is going to increase risk of spread. As far as the age range for protests all you have to do is look at a crowd and you can see pretty plainly what age range is most common. Not sure why some people insist on having studies or news reports to believe some things that are common knowledge, youth always dominates protests and civil unrest it's not just this wave. Also, it's easy to say there is "no evidence" to support them having an impact because we don't use widespread contact tracing in the u.s which is the only way to be sure. Again, I'm NOT saying that the protests are the only reason or even the biggest reason for rising cases but to actually think they aren't a factor is just not realistic. As far as how much of a factor who knows, we'll probably never know the answer to that for a variety of reasons. Ultimately it was a perfect storm that caused the recent spike, States started opening, summer weather hit widespread so people started going out more, people refusing to follow guidelines, etc... The protests just added fuel to the fire. It might be a factor. But it's not even close to the major factor. By comparing various states, and the protests we saw, we can reasonably conclude that it's a very minor factor. Barely even noticeable, if it's noticeable at all. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikesfan89 Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 9 minutes ago, theJ said: Yeah but at the same time Minnesota hasn't seen an increase. So it's not that simple. The increase that they have had they are blaming all on the bar goers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 18 hours ago, kingseanjohn said: Kansas City has a mask mandate that went into effect today. I went to the gym and only 3 out of maybe 40 people were wearing one. Guess it's back to body weight workouts. People in the gym are ridiculously inconsiderate in general about this. maybe like 10-20% of people at my gym were wearing a mask. I'm very tempted to actually call corporate and complain that the local one is not enforcing mask mandates what-so-ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikesfan89 Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 Being outside and quite a few people wearing masks helps but it's a bit of a stretch to say that most protesters kept 6 feet apart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob_shadows Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 (edited) 18 minutes ago, theJ said: Yeah but at the same time Minnesota hasn't seen an increase. So it's not that simple. Hennepin county did indeed see cases rise a couple weeks after the protests began after the numbers had started to dip, so did numerous other major cities in the United States. That time frame also coincided with memorial day though so that needs to be taken into consideration. EDIT: On top of that several States (including Minnesota) ended the stay at home orders within that same two week time frame so like I said perfect storm. Edited June 30, 2020 by rob_shadows Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob_shadows Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 (edited) I also find it hilarious that many of the same people (including some on here) who argue the protests have had a minimal impact are the exact same people who complained about the protests a couple months ago putting the country at risk because they would increase the spread of the virus. 😂 Viruses don't have political agendas folks only people do, either protesting increases the risk of spread or it doesn't you can't have it both ways. Edited June 30, 2020 by rob_shadows 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDBrocks Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 23 minutes ago, rob_shadows said: Ultimately it was a perfect storm that caused the recent spike, States started opening, summer weather hit widespread so people started going out more, people refusing to follow guidelines, etc... The protests just added fuel to the fire. More like throwing a match into a well established bonfire. Really bright for a second, but doesn’t really move the needle all that much since everything else was already on fire . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob_shadows Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 Just now, JDBrocks said: More like throwing a match into a well established bonfire. Really bright for a second, but doesn’t really move the needle all that much since everything else was already on fire . That's not really accurate because it wasn't a bonfire before that, cases were going down all over the country then we had the big trio of memorial day, ending lockdowns, and mass protests all happening in the same week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theJ Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 18 minutes ago, rob_shadows said: Hennepin county did indeed see cases rise a couple weeks after the protests began after the numbers had started to dip, so did numerous other major cities in the United States. That time frame also coincided with memorial day though so that needs to be taken into consideration. EDIT: On top of that several States (including Minnesota) ended the stay at home orders within that same two week time frame so like I said perfect storm. Do you have a source that shows Hennepin county surging? I can only find state wide data, which shows flat case counts for the last month. Which means that if you're correct, and Hennepin county surged during that time, other areas in Minnesota must have gone down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDBrocks Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 3 minutes ago, rob_shadows said: That's not really accurate because it wasn't a bonfire before that, cases were going down all over the country then we had the big trio of memorial day, ending lockdowns, and mass protests all happening in the same week. The county level data and the locations with the fastest rising case, positivity, and hospitalization rates don’t really support that, but ok. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramssuperbowl99 Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 1 minute ago, JDBrocks said: The county level data and the locations with the fastest rising case, positivity, and hospitalization rates don’t really support that, but ok. Nor do the political affiliations of the states generally faring the worst. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingseanjohn Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 10 minutes ago, rob_shadows said: I also find it hilarious that many of the same people (including some on here) who argue the protests have had a minimal impact are the exact same people who complained about the protests a couple months ago putting the country at risk because they would increase the spread of the virus. 😂 Viruses don't have political agendas folks only people do, either protesting increases the risk of spread or it doesn't you can't have it both ways. The biggest difference that I’ve seen is that one group of protesters mostly wore masks and the other didn’t really at all, assuming we’re talking about the same thing. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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