The QB Thread: Everything Carr, Stidham and beyond...

[bucksavage1]

33 minutes ago, NCOUGHMAN said:

Not a jmd fan but I think jmd wanted to see if carr could throw in intense cold weather…and he got his answer.

100% A lot of new regimes will give holdovers a chance to perform in their system. JMD and Ziegs know they can’t win with Carr. Jacobs on the other hand fits their system incredibly 

 

.. the ability to perform in cold weather. That’s apart of the game in late season and playoff football..Until  the warm weather Super Bowl

[NYRaider]

17 hours ago, Humble_Beast said:

Year 1 in a new system= rebuilding year… only thing I see happening is a defense and OL get improved. 

Defense, OL, coaching are why Carr crapped the bed in our most important games lol

[NYRaider]

16 hours ago, Frankie2Gunz said:

i don't see many scenarios where JM/DZ can move on from Carr and win enough games next year to still be employed in Vegas.  With their reputations and millions on the line I don't see them taking a foolish risk like that.  If they can win 8 games next year they most likely will get a chance for a 3rd year.  If they win 4 to 6 they are fired...  With a stopgap the 4 to 6 win scenario is highly probable.  It's that simple.

8 wins in year 2 with Carr in year 10 as one of the highest paid QBs in the league is definitely what Mark wants to see.

[bucksavage1]

11 hours ago, raidr4life said:

Disagree with this, the problem is you guys still over value Carr, the only thing Carr has at this point is a talented arm, you underestimate what a so called less talented QB who has better field vision, awareness and does the little things could do with all the weapons we have on offense. Add a couple of OL, keep Jacobs, bring in a gamer like Minshew for much cheaper, still draft a QB the offense will be what we envisioned 24-30 points a game. Invest everything else to defense.

100% agree

Lot of people see Carr from what he was in 2016 and that player is long gone. Carr and Andy Dalton are similar players. Some team will see him as a starter next season 

 . He’s outweighed he use with the Raiders and we’re better off getting cheaper at the position and hopefully better play. Follow in the footsteps of the Bengals, Chargers, Chiefs, Bills with a young signal caller who’s has more skills for todays game

With the pieces we have left on offense. We can add extra the OL and defense. We should be able to be playoff bound next season. If we hit on a superstar QB, could challenge for a Super Bowl in 2 seasons

[big_palooka]

23 minutes ago, bucksavage1 said:

100% agree

Lot of people see Carr from what he was in 2016 and that player is long gone. Carr and Andy Dalton are similar players. Some team will see him as a starter next season 

 . He’s outweighed he use with the Raiders and we’re better off getting cheaper at the position and hopefully better play. Follow in the footsteps of the Bengals, Chargers, Chiefs, Bills with a young signal caller who’s has more skills for todays game

With the pieces we have left on offense. We can add extra the OL and defense. We should be able to be playoff bound next season. If we hit on a superstar QB, could challenge for a Super Bowl in 2 seasons

With who at QB? 

You are downgrading QB in 2023 if you trade Carr most likely in the short term. And the long term prospects with a rookie are no sure thing either. 

It is HARD to find a QB. Look at team like Denver, Carolina, NY Jets, Cleveland, Chicago, etc. who have been trying to figure the QB position for decades. Took the Raiders 12 years to sort out between Gannon and Carr. 

You're making it sound as if replacing Carr is easy and they can get right to the playoffs. They could easily be looking for a QB for years and waste prime years of their better players. 

I'm all for taking risk, but don't be so naive to think it's easy to fix the QB spot. It's not. 

[bucksavage1]

Carr officially benched. End of an era

 

 

 

[Devilshark69]

You said it, I definitely thought it. Yeah, just “presto” and we get a franchise signal caller. 

[Devilshark69]

Just now, bucksavage1 said:

Carr officially benched. End of an era

 

 

 

Try not to mess yourself bro! Lmao! We ALL knew this was coming. Lol

[Devilshark69]

End of 4 yrs of endless debates, carr hate, carr love, proposals on how to get “the next mahomie” , I think I might have a party in my pants just because of this by itself. 👍👍🤣🤣

[NCOUGHMAN]

36 minutes ago, bucksavage1 said:

Carr officially benched. End of an era

 

 

 

Bruhhhhh lol watch we smash the niners lol jk 

[dante9876]

17 hours ago, Frankie2Gunz said:

Brady would never come to a team that has been a dumpster fire for over 20 years and has not shown to take a step out of the swamp this year.  With inferior talent across the board no way Brady takes the chance of ending his career on this **** burger roster.  it will never happen. Uneducated homer fans talking nonsense is all this speculative garbage is.  It downright laughable to think a legend will come to this dumpster fire team that needs to be rebuilt at nearly every level. 

As for Carr, he has not looked good this year, there is no denying that.  Many can speculate as to why but from my perspective a few things stick out.  Has Carr forgotten to play at a high level?  Highly unlikely.  One of his biggest critics on this forum had him listed as a top 10 fantasy QB during the preseason...  He clearly believed the talent was there!

JM's scheme and game plan have not allowed Carr to get into a rhythm for all 4 quarters.  It seems like he starts out in a rhythm, we jump out to an lead then JM goes ultra conservative/heavy run.  If Jacobs is not running wild the whole O is out of wack and JM refuses to make the proper adjustments, especially after halftime.  

DC Passer rating by half: 1st and 2nd half

2016: 90/92 Musgrave

2017: 89/80 Downing

2018: 90/80 Gruden

2019 109/92 Gruden

2020 110/92 Gruden

2021 90/98 Olson

2022 97/73 McD

JM and DZ didn't come here to dump Carr after one year no matter what the talking head stooges or idiotic fans think.  The risk is much too great unless an upgrade is staring them in the face and at this point I do not see a legit one.  If we move on from Carr as the tv stooges suggest the risk of failure for our current regime is increased exponentially.  It's easy for fans to sit back and point the finger at Carr when they don't have millions on the line like JM and DZ do. 

Let's say we move on from Carr, sign a stopgap bum , with our current talent on this roster we are a 4 win team.  With 4 wins next year JM is for sure fired and DZ could very well be on the chopping block also.  With our bottom 3 D there are no stopgaps that could win us more than 5 games also FA's won't want to sign with a franchise that has been the laughing stock of the league for over 20 years, lacks talent and depth, and now has a stop gap bum as the QB.  We will have to overpay for mediocre talent which is one of the main reasons we are in the situation we are currently in and have been in for over 20 years.  

Also consider the media/fan reaction if we move on from Carr, win 4 games with a stopgap, Carr goes to the Jets and wins a playoff game.  Instant firing for JM and DZ.  The perception will be that Carr has had the talent but the coaching and overall lack of surrounding talent has let him down.  That is not a good look....

I am all for drafting a young QB if there is a legit stud on the board, I am also for drafting a project Qb later in the draft, letting them sit until we know what we have but moving on from Carr just to do so without a plan in place is downright foolish for JM and DZ.  The risk is much too great and DC was one of the main reasons they signed here as DC has been as stable as they come despite multiple coaching changes on teams that have had very little talent.  

I don't see many scenarios where JM/DZ can move on from Carr and win enough games next year to still be employed in Vegas.  With their reputations and millions on the line I don't see them taking a foolish risk like that.  If they can win 8 games next year they most likely will get a chance for a 3rd year.  If they win 4 to 6 they are fired...  With a stopgap the 4 to 6 win scenario is highly probable.  It's that simple.

Well clearly jm and dz don't see it the same way you do. If the plan is to keep carr. Benching him makes no sense. He needs as many reps as possible. Looks like they are smart and want to keep their options open. 

[MrOaktown_56]

1 hour ago, big_palooka said:

With who at QB? 

You are downgrading QB in 2023 if you trade Carr most likely in the short term. And the long term prospects with a rookie are no sure thing either. 

It is HARD to find a QB. Look at team like Denver, Carolina, NY Jets, Cleveland, Chicago, etc. who have been trying to figure the QB position for decades. Took the Raiders 12 years to sort out between Gannon and Carr. 

You're making it sound as if replacing Carr is easy and they can get right to the playoffs. They could easily be looking for a QB for years and waste prime years of their better players. 

I'm all for taking risk, but don't be so naive to think it's easy to fix the QB spot. It's not. 

It's not easy. We need to get Brady if we move on. It's the only clear upgrade (potentially) on the market.

[true2form]

11 minutes ago, MrOaktown_56 said:

It's not easy. We need to get Brady if we move on. It's the only clear upgrade (potentially) on the market.

I'll call it now. 

1. We trade Carr(cut him at worst)

2. Sign Brady

3. Revamp the OL, upgrade the defense, and feel pretty good about our chances

4. Watch as Brady gets hurt in the preseason or 1st game of the year, because he's old

Perfect Raiders scenario

[MrOaktown_56]

1 minute ago, true2form said:

I'll call it now. 

1. We trade Carr(cut him at worst)

2. Sign Brady

3. Revamp the OL, upgrade the defense, and feel pretty good about our chances

4. Watch as Brady gets hurt in the preseason or 1st game of the year, because he's old

Perfect Raiders scenario

Lmaoo

[Nightmare]

18 hours ago, Frankie2Gunz said:

Brady would never come to a team that has been a dumpster fire for over 20 years and has not shown to take a step out of the swamp this year.  With inferior talent across the board no way Brady takes the chance of ending his career on this **** burger roster.  it will never happen. Uneducated homer fans talking nonsense is all this speculative garbage is.  It downright laughable to think a legend will come to this dumpster fire team that needs to be rebuilt at nearly every level. 

As for Carr, he has not looked good this year, there is no denying that.  Many can speculate as to why but from my perspective a few things stick out.  Has Carr forgotten to play at a high level?  Highly unlikely.  One of his biggest critics on this forum had him listed as a top 10 fantasy QB during the preseason...  He clearly believed the talent was there!

JM's scheme and game plan have not allowed Carr to get into a rhythm for all 4 quarters.  It seems like he starts out in a rhythm, we jump out to an lead then JM goes ultra conservative/heavy run.  If Jacobs is not running wild the whole O is out of wack and JM refuses to make the proper adjustments, especially after halftime.  

DC Passer rating by half: 1st and 2nd half

2016: 90/92 Musgrave

2017: 89/80 Downing

2018: 90/80 Gruden

2019 109/92 Gruden

2020 110/92 Gruden

2021 90/98 Olson

2022 97/73 McD

JM and DZ didn't come here to dump Carr after one year no matter what the talking head stooges or idiotic fans think.  The risk is much too great unless an upgrade is staring them in the face and at this point I do not see a legit one.  If we move on from Carr as the tv stooges suggest the risk of failure for our current regime is increased exponentially.  It's easy for fans to sit back and point the finger at Carr when they don't have millions on the line like JM and DZ do. 

Let's say we move on from Carr, sign a stopgap bum , with our current talent on this roster we are a 4 win team.  With 4 wins next year JM is for sure fired and DZ could very well be on the chopping block also.  With our bottom 3 D there are no stopgaps that could win us more than 5 games also FA's won't want to sign with a franchise that has been the laughing stock of the league for over 20 years, lacks talent and depth, and now has a stop gap bum as the QB.  We will have to overpay for mediocre talent which is one of the main reasons we are in the situation we are currently in and have been in for over 20 years.  

Also consider the media/fan reaction if we move on from Carr, win 4 games with a stopgap, Carr goes to the Jets and wins a playoff game.  Instant firing for JM and DZ.  The perception will be that Carr has had the talent but the coaching and overall lack of surrounding talent has let him down.  That is not a good look....

I am all for drafting a young QB if there is a legit stud on the board, I am also for drafting a project Qb later in the draft, letting them sit until we know what we have but moving on from Carr just to do so without a plan in place is downright foolish for JM and DZ.  The risk is much too great and DC was one of the main reasons they signed here as DC has been as stable as they come despite multiple coaching changes on teams that have had very little talent.  

I don't see many scenarios where JM/DZ can move on from Carr and win enough games next year to still be employed in Vegas.  With their reputations and millions on the line I don't see them taking a foolish risk like that.  If they can win 8 games next year they most likely will get a chance for a 3rd year.  If they win 4 to 6 they are fired...  With a stopgap the 4 to 6 win scenario is highly probable.  It's that simple.

A lot of words calling people bums and stooges and idiots for thinking we’ll move on from Carr, and just a few hours later the Raiders bench Carr, effectively announcing they’re moving on from him.

Funny how these things work.