Chrissooner49er Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 (edited) 13 hours ago, Ozzy said: I would say these guys. Rondale Moore Purdue JR Jaylen Waddle Alabama JR Chris Olave Ohio State JR Tutu Atwell Louisville JR Ihmir Smith-Marsette Iowa JD Spielman Nebraska Cade Johnson South Dakota State Johnny Johnson III Oregon Marquez Stevenson Houston RS Tre Nixon UCF RS KD Nixon Colorado Amari Rodgers ClemsonTheo Howard Oklahoma Damon Hazelton Missouri RS Mike Harley Miami FL Never heard of this guy and then I did a search: The only Theo Howard I came up with is from UCLA. And then I discover he transferred! He is now a Sooner. No wonder I didn't know who he was. Edited May 12, 2020 by Chrissooner49er Doh! Just looked at the official roster! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScoDucks823 Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 18 hours ago, Ozzy said: I would say these guys. Rondale Moore Purdue JR Jaylen Waddle Alabama JR Chris Olave Ohio State JR Tutu Atwell Louisville JR Ihmir Smith-Marsette Iowa JD Spielman Nebraska Cade Johnson South Dakota State Johnny Johnson III Oregon Marquez Stevenson Houston RS Tre Nixon UCF RS KD Nixon Colorado Amari Rodgers Clemson Theo Howard Oklahoma Damon Hazelton Missouri RS Mike Harley Miami FL Really hoping Johnson makes a jump this year. Definitely improved last season but still has some pretty serious consistency issues. Probably a late round guy at this point but with the potential to move up into the mid rounds with another strong season 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MagicMT Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 Rondale Moore is a physical marvel. Thinking he could easily be a top 15 pick next draft (still as WR2 cause J. Chase will go top 5) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VanS Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 3 hours ago, MagicMT said: Rondale Moore is a physical marvel. Thinking he could easily be a top 15 pick next draft (still as WR2 cause J. Chase will go top 5) He'll be at best WR3. Justyn Ross is also in this class. I also like Chris Olave a lil more though Rondale Moore is a beast. Next year's WR class is definitely better than this past year's class AT THE TOP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 19 minutes ago, VanS said: He'll be at best WR3. Justyn Ross is also in this class. I also like Chris Olave a lil more though Rondale Moore is a beast. Next year's WR class is definitely better than this past year's class AT THE TOP. My WR2 right now is Rashod Bateman, Justyn Ross a close 3rd. Then Devonta Smith. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VanS Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 6 hours ago, Danger said: My WR2 right now is Rashod Bateman, Justyn Ross a close 3rd. Then Devonta Smith. Haven't watched Rashod Bateman so I'll reserve judgment in him. But I have seen a lot of Devonta Smith. Not very impressed with him. My favorite of the Alabama receivers is Jaylen Waddle. He's the only Alabama receiver that I saw the last few seasons with star potential at the next level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MagicMT Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 On 12/05/2020 at 10:53 PM, VanS said: He'll be at best WR3. Justyn Ross is also in this class. I also like Chris Olave a lil more though Rondale Moore is a beast. Next year's WR class is definitely better than this past year's class AT THE TOP. On 12/05/2020 at 11:12 PM, Danger said: My WR2 right now is Rashod Bateman, Justyn Ross a close 3rd. Then Devonta Smith. Ross and Bateman are really good. They would be respectively WR4 & WR5 in this class for me. Chase as undisputed #1. For me Rondale would be second, is potential is just so enormous. Then Devonta Smith, I think his game will just translate so well to the NFL. After the top 5 you still have Olave, Waddle and a host of other good prospects... It does seem that the 2021 WR class will be even better than the last one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VanS Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 4 hours ago, MagicMT said: It does seem that the 2021 WR class will be even better than the last one. I would say way better at the top. I never understood the appeal with Jeudy, Ruggs, and Lamb. All 3 looked like mid-round guys to me. The top guys in 2021 make sense though as elite WR prospects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedTheClock Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 6 hours ago, VanS said: I would say way better at the top. I never understood the appeal with Jeudy, Ruggs, and Lamb. All 3 looked like mid-round guys to me. The top guys in 2021 make sense though as elite WR prospects. Can you explain what would make you believe this, outside of a traumatic brain injury? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VanS Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 6 hours ago, BleedTheClock said: Can you explain what would make you believe this, outside of a traumatic brain injury? Already explained myself on that front. We'll see how it turns out. I'm far more excited for the 2021 draft class than the 2020 class. I think this next draft has significantly more talent at the top of the draft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted May 17, 2020 Share Posted May 17, 2020 On 5/16/2020 at 3:37 AM, VanS said: Already explained myself on that front. We'll see how it turns out. I'm far more excited for the 2021 draft class than the 2020 class. I think this next draft has significantly more talent at the top of the draft. I doubt it, especially if one does not even have a season in 2021, not to mention the lack of development in the prospects over this past spring and soon to be summer potentially. The 2020 top 15 picks were rock solid, a ton of super high end talent. No CB is better than Okudah in next years draft, the depth at OT is totally dominating in the 2020 class. Those top four are awesome, sure next year has Sewell but that is it for elite level talent unless Leatherwood and others really improve. No DE comes even close to Chase Young either in the 2021 class, QB also doubt anyone could have a better season than Burrow did last year but Lawrence is a talent no doubt about it and Fields but I would say three QBs like Burrow, Tua and Herbert are better than Lawrence and Fields, and no I do not put Trey Lance up there quite yet. Wilson is very good DT but not sure he has the character and or drive Derrick Brown had, not to mention the production especially he had this last year at Auburn. The receivers you talk about, sure Chase is elite possibly but who knows what he looks like without Borrow throwing him the ball, Terry has high level ability and so does Moore but not sure they are on the level of Lamb or Jeudy and none are even close to as athletic as Ruggs III. The TE position is potentially stronger with Freiermuth and LB with Parsons and Ossai but neither one is the athlete Simmons was this past draft. So yeah you take that high level OT talent in 2020 and super elite DE and CB talent not to mention solid receivers which does not even include Lamb in the top 15, yeah 2021 is not deeper or better at the top unless a lot of things change and how could that be in this crazy time of being an athlete. Think all the 2021 prospect have gotten better over this time, I doubt it, who knows if they could even workout at school or practice at all which I assume is an absolute no. 2020 Joe Burrow QB Chase Young DE Jeff Okudah CB Andrew Thomas OT Tua Tagovailoa QB Justin Herbert QB Derrick Brown DT Isaiah Simmons OLB CJ Henderson CB Jedrick Wills OT Mekhi Becton OT Henry Ruggs III WR Tristan Wirfs OT Javon Kinlaw DT Jerry Jeudy WR 2021 Trevor Lawrence Clemson JR QB Penei Sewell Oregon JR OT Micah Parsons Penn State JR OLB Justin Fields Ohio State JR QB Joseph Ossai Texas JR OLB Ja'Marr Chase LSU JR WR Marvin Wilson Florida State SR DT Tamorrion Terry Florida State RS JR WR Pat Freiermuth Penn State JR TE Alex Leatherwood Alabama SR OG/OT Rondale Moore Purdue JR WR Shaun Wade Ohio State RS JR CB Jaylen Twyman Pitt RS JR DT Gregory Rousseau Miami FL RS SOPH DE Dylan Moses Alabama SR ILB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VanS Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 17 hours ago, Ozzy said: I doubt it, especially if one does not even have a season in 2021, not to mention the lack of development in the prospects over this past spring and soon to be summer potentially. The 2020 top 15 picks were rock solid, a ton of super high end talent. No CB is better than Okudah in next years draft, the depth at OT is totally dominating in the 2020 class. Those top four are awesome, sure next year has Sewell but that is it for elite level talent unless Leatherwood and others really improve. No DE comes even close to Chase Young either in the 2021 class, QB also doubt anyone could have a better season than Burrow did last year but Lawrence is a talent no doubt about it and Fields but I would say three QBs like Burrow, Tua and Herbert are better than Lawrence and Fields, and no I do not put Trey Lance up there quite yet. Wilson is very good DT but not sure he has the character and or drive Derrick Brown had, not to mention the production especially he had this last year at Auburn. The receivers you talk about, sure Chase is elite possibly but who knows what he looks like without Borrow throwing him the ball, Terry has high level ability and so does Moore but not sure they are on the level of Lamb or Jeudy and none are even close to as athletic as Ruggs III. The TE position is potentially stronger with Freiermuth and LB with Parsons and Ossai but neither one is the athlete Simmons was this past draft. So yeah you take that high level OT talent in 2020 and super elite DE and CB talent not to mention solid receivers which does not even include Lamb in the top 15, yeah 2021 is not deeper or better at the top unless a lot of things change and how could that be in this crazy time of being an athlete. Think all the 2021 prospect have gotten better over this time, I doubt it, who knows if they could even workout at school or practice at all which I assume is an absolute no. 2020 Joe Burrow QB Chase Young DE Jeff Okudah CB Andrew Thomas OT Tua Tagovailoa QB Justin Herbert QB Derrick Brown DT Isaiah Simmons OLB CJ Henderson CB Jedrick Wills OT Mekhi Becton OT Henry Ruggs III WR Tristan Wirfs OT Javon Kinlaw DT Jerry Jeudy WR 2021 Trevor Lawrence Clemson JR QB Penei Sewell Oregon JR OT Micah Parsons Penn State JR OLB Justin Fields Ohio State JR QB Joseph Ossai Texas JR OLB Ja'Marr Chase LSU JR WR Marvin Wilson Florida State SR DT Tamorrion Terry Florida State RS JR WR Pat Freiermuth Penn State JR TE Alex Leatherwood Alabama SR OG/OT Rondale Moore Purdue JR WR Shaun Wade Ohio State RS JR CB Jaylen Twyman Pitt RS JR DT Gregory Rousseau Miami FL RS SOPH DE Dylan Moses Alabama SR ILB Yeah so how guys perform in college really isn't what I base my evaluations on. I just look at traits and ability. I was sold on Trevor Lawrence after his first game as a true freshmen. To me elite talent is evident pretty quickly. Studying lots of tape on a prospect leads more to confusion than clarity IMO. We'll just have to agree to disagree on the 2020 class. I thought the draft had decent depth but the top-end talent was lacking. Okudah is definitely better than any DB in the 2021 class, but as of now, I think the QB and WR class in 2021 is significantly better than the 2020 class. I still have to dig into the other position groups but thus far I like what the 2021 class is offering. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 4 hours ago, VanS said: Yeah so how guys perform in college really isn't what I base my evaluations on. I just look at traits and ability. I was sold on Trevor Lawrence after his first game as a true freshmen. To me elite talent is evident pretty quickly. Studying lots of tape on a prospect leads more to confusion than clarity IMO. We'll just have to agree to disagree on the 2020 class. I thought the draft had decent depth but the top-end talent was lacking. Okudah is definitely better than any DB in the 2021 class, but as of now, I think the QB and WR class in 2021 is significantly better than the 2020 class. I still have to dig into the other position groups but thus far I like what the 2021 class is offering. So this 2020 WR class is worst the the 2021 class, no freaking way on that one. 2020 CeeDee Lamb Oklahoma JR Jerry Jeudy Alabama JR Henry Ruggs III Alabama JR Justin Jefferson LSU JR Denzel Mims Baylor Tee Higgins Clemson JR Laviska Shenault Jr. Colorado JR Jalen Reagor TCU JR Brandon Aiyuk Arizona State Lynn Bowden Jr Kentucky JR KJ Hamler Penn State RS SOPH Antonio Gandy-Golden Liberty Chase Claypool Notre Dame Bryan Edwards South Carolina Michael Pittman Jr USC Gabriel Davis UCF JR Donovan People-Jones Michigan JR Devin Duvernay Texas Antonio Gibson Memphis Quinetz Cephus Wisconsin RS JR Tyler Johnson Minnesota James Proche SMU RS KJ Hill Ohio State Collin Johnson Texas 2021 Tamorrion Terry Florida State RS JR Ja'Marr Chase LSU JR Rondale Moore Purdue JR Rashod Bateman Minnesota JR Devonta Smith Alabama Jaylen Waddle Alabama JR Justyn Ross Clemson JR Sage Surratt Wake Forest JR Seth Williams Auburn JR Chris Olave Ohio State JR Tylan Wallace Ok State Tutu Atwell Louisville JR Terrace Marshall Jr LSU JR Ihmir Smith-Marsette Iowa Damonte Coxie Memphis RS Tyler Vaughns USC RS Cade Johnson South Dakota State Johnny Johnson III Oregon Marquez Stevenson Houston RS TJ Vasher Texas Tech RS JD Spielman Nebraska Josh Imatorbhebhe Illinois Kadarius Toney Florida Tre Nixon UCF RS KD Nixon Colorado Amari Rodgers Clemson Theo Howard Oklahoma Damon Hazelton Missouri RS Sure it has some decent depth at the top as well but the 2nd tear depth is simply not the same. It could maybe happen if Surratt does great, Seth Williams improves, Olave takes it to another level, Tylan Wallace bounces back with a big year, Atwell continues to improve and Marshall take a big role now on LSU and Smith-Marsette continues his nice play etc. Sure that could all happen but how, few if any of them have properly worked out or practiced over the past few months, and there might not even be a season and or full season this up coming year. So how could they all improve that much? Considering the circumstance it will be a hard climb, no way this lay off down period has been good for any of their development as a player. The WR depth in the 2020 class was historic and not sure 2021 will easily pass that the year after. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VanS Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 7 hours ago, Ozzy said: So this 2020 WR class is worst the the 2021 class, no freaking way on that one. 2020 CeeDee Lamb Oklahoma JR Jerry Jeudy Alabama JR Henry Ruggs III Alabama JR Justin Jefferson LSU JR Denzel Mims Baylor Tee Higgins Clemson JR Laviska Shenault Jr. Colorado JR Jalen Reagor TCU JR Brandon Aiyuk Arizona State Lynn Bowden Jr Kentucky JR KJ Hamler Penn State RS SOPH Antonio Gandy-Golden Liberty Chase Claypool Notre Dame Bryan Edwards South Carolina Michael Pittman Jr USC Gabriel Davis UCF JR Donovan People-Jones Michigan JR Devin Duvernay Texas Antonio Gibson Memphis Quinetz Cephus Wisconsin RS JR Tyler Johnson Minnesota James Proche SMU RS KJ Hill Ohio State Collin Johnson Texas 2021 Tamorrion Terry Florida State RS JR Ja'Marr Chase LSU JR Rondale Moore Purdue JR Rashod Bateman Minnesota JR Devonta Smith Alabama Jaylen Waddle Alabama JR Justyn Ross Clemson JR Sage Surratt Wake Forest JR Seth Williams Auburn JR Chris Olave Ohio State JR Tylan Wallace Ok State Tutu Atwell Louisville JR Terrace Marshall Jr LSU JR Ihmir Smith-Marsette Iowa Damonte Coxie Memphis RS Tyler Vaughns USC RS Cade Johnson South Dakota State Johnny Johnson III Oregon Marquez Stevenson Houston RS TJ Vasher Texas Tech RS JD Spielman Nebraska Josh Imatorbhebhe Illinois Kadarius Toney Florida Tre Nixon UCF RS KD Nixon Colorado Amari Rodgers Clemson Theo Howard Oklahoma Damon Hazelton Missouri RS Sure it has some decent depth at the top as well but the 2nd tear depth is simply not the same. It could maybe happen if Surratt does great, Seth Williams improves, Olave takes it to another level, Tylan Wallace bounces back with a big year, Atwell continues to improve and Marshall take a big role now on LSU and Smith-Marsette continues his nice play etc. Sure that could all happen but how, few if any of them have properly worked out or practiced over the past few months, and there might not even be a season and or full season this up coming year. So how could they all improve that much? Considering the circumstance it will be a hard climb, no way this lay off down period has been good for any of their development as a player. The WR depth in the 2020 class was historic and not sure 2021 will easily pass that the year after. I've not dug in deep into the 2021 WR class. I've just looked at the guys projected to go in the 1st round and I find them to be much better than the 2020 first rounders. I like the depth of the 2020 WR class. But at the top-end I found it to be weak. I wouldn't be surprised if all the WRs that went in the 1st round in 2020 end up as busts. That's how low I am on the top of the 2020 WR class. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soko Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 (edited) Quote Studying lots of tape on a prospect leads more to confusion than clarity IMO. Edited May 20, 2020 by Yin-Yang Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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