swede700 Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 17 minutes ago, JDBrocks said: There is a reason - he's not playing that well. I've watched him the last few weeks as you have...and I can't say the same. Are there moments where I'm like "Whoa...he shouldn't have thrown it there..." or "That was kind of a wobbly pass!"? Yes. But, overall, he's been effective, regardless of whether it's pretty or not. Football Outsiders.com has him as the 5th ranked QB in DYAR (which is calculated as the total value of the QB), 4th ranked in DVOA (which is the QB's total value per play) and even ESPN (whether you like their rating system or not) has him ranked as the #6 QB. To say he's not playing well is an overvaluation of style over the substance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDBrocks Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 Is it though? How much is it him playing well vs his supporting cast bailing him out? How many big plays has he missed that another more talented player would have capitalized on? There's plenty of video evidence out there suggesting that he is a product of his surroundings. I hate arguing about this, because I really do like Keenum! I think he's done an admirable job given who he is as a player. I think the longer Keenum sticks as the QB, the more likely a regression becomes. I also think this offense really takes off with a better QB, which I happen to believe Teddy will be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingsrule Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 1 hour ago, JDBrocks said: Is it though? How much is it him playing well vs his supporting cast bailing him out? How many big plays has he missed that another more talented player would have capitalized on? There's plenty of video evidence out there suggesting that he is a product of his surroundings. I hate arguing about this, because I really do like Keenum! I think he's done an admirable job given who he is as a player. I think the longer Keenum sticks as the QB, the more likely a regression becomes. I also think this offense really takes off with a better QB, which I happen to believe Teddy will be. We saw a better version of this offense week one. Granted we no longer have Dalvin Cook as part of the offense, we're leaving plays on the field. I like Keenum a lot too and I'm glad he's our backup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikesfan89 Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 11 hours ago, SemperFeist said: But, you can’t bench Keenum if he keeps winning... I don't view it as benching him since he came in to be the backup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klomp Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 Since we're winning games with Murray and McKinnon, should we not give Cook snaps over them if he were healthy enough to return this season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vike daddy Posted November 4, 2017 Author Share Posted November 4, 2017 and are we really winning games because of Case Keenum...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake Plissken Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 It should be Keenum's job until somebody proves they are better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake Plissken Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 52 minutes ago, vike daddy said: and are we really winning games because of Case Keenum...? You could ask that question of almost any player. Are we really winning games because of Stefon Diggs...? We are 2-0 without him in the line up. It is a team game and Keenum has been a positive contributor to the team's success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDBrocks Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 2 hours ago, Snake Plissken said: It should be Keenum's job until somebody proves they are better Well Bradford and Bridgewater are better so..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marshpit23 Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 2 hours ago, Snake Plissken said: You could ask that question of almost any player. Are we really winning games because of Stefon Diggs...? We are 2-0 without him in the line up. It is a team game and Keenum has been a positive contributor to the team's success. Agreed, this is a team game and W/L is not solely a QB stat. However, stating a WR, in this case Diggs, has equal value in determining W/L is a bit off in IMO. QB, in the majority of scenarios, has the greatest individual impact on W/L. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake Plissken Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 24 minutes ago, JDBrocks said: Well Bradford and Bridgewater are better so..... Well Tom Brady is too so...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake Plissken Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 16 minutes ago, marshpit23 said: Agreed, this is a team game and W/L is not solely a QB stat. However, stating a WR, in this case Diggs, has equal value in determining W/L is a bit off in IMO. QB, in the majority of scenarios, has the greatest individual impact on W/L. I didn't state that, but agree. In a QB driven league Keenum has had a positive impact on W/L. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelKing728 Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 59 minutes ago, Snake Plissken said: Well Tom Brady is too so...... There is a problem with this statement...I'll let you figure it out though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SemperFeist Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 59 minutes ago, Snake Plissken said: Well Tom Brady is too so...... So, then are you saying you’d keep playing Keenum over Brady? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake Plissken Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 19 minutes ago, SteelKing728 said: There is a problem with this statement...I'll let you figure it out though. Please enlighten me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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