Shady Slim Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 please fellas you are smart men stop using passes that should have been intercepted as a metric @HTTRDynasty i didn't get to see much haskins but i know there are people who say he's a bit on the heavy side/not fit enough for a starting role... i assume that's bunk, but, what's your take on that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HTTRDynasty Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 7 minutes ago, Shady Slim said: @HTTRDynasty i didn't get to see much haskins but i know there are people who say he's a bit on the heavy side/not fit enough for a starting role... i assume that's bunk, but, what's your take on that? Not an issue. He came in a little out of shape at the combine, so now people who don't like him will use that for the rest of his career to say he's overweight. He wasn't overweight during his rookie year, and he doesn't seem to be overweight now either... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DannyB Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 2 hours ago, HTTRDynasty said: Most Washington fans: "this shows that Dwayne Haskins is gonna be a good quarterback!" ace: *creates thread guaranteeing Haskins is an 8-consecutive-time MVP and Super Bowl champion* 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkippyX Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 3 hours ago, HTTRDynasty said: ROFLMAO! 10th best grade! These guys are delusional. Apparently the Apples to Apples of everyone to face Detroit after they traded Quandre Diggs is beyond PFF's comprehension. Daniel Jones 28-41 322 yards 4 TDs 0 picks 1 fumble lost 124.2 rating Derek Carr 20-31 289 2 TDs 0 picks 116 rating Trubisky 16-23 173 3 TDs 0 picks 131 rating Dak 29-46 444 3 TDs 0 picks 116 rating Haskins 13-29 156 0 TDs 1 pick 1 fumble lost 47.5 rating Trubisky 29-38 280 2 TDs 1 pick 87.6 rating Cousins 24-30 242 1 TD 0 picks 111.4 rating Winston 28-42 458 4 TDs 1 pick 124.9 rating Lock 25-33 192 1 TD 0 picks 99.6 rating Rodgers 27-55 323 2 TDs 1 pick 72 rating In every other game that D gave up 22 TDs with 3 interceptions and 1 fumble recovery from a QB Haskins had no TDs and a pick and a fumble! Haskins was a bad rookie QB until his last 1 1/2 games. This is absolute 100% fact. His only good game full game as an NFL pro was because he hit McLaurin on a 12 yard pass over the middle, the safety took a bad angle and Terry took it another 63 yards. See 1:31 of the linked video. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HTTRDynasty Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 7 minutes ago, SkippyX said: ROFLMAO! 10th best grade! These guys are delusional. Apparently the Apples to Apples of everyone to face Detroit after they traded Quandre Diggs is beyond PFF's comprehension. Daniel Jones 28-41 322 yards 4 TDs 0 picks 1 fumble lost 124.2 rating Derek Carr 20-31 289 2 TDs 0 picks 116 rating Trubisky 16-23 173 3 TDs 0 picks 131 rating Dak 29-46 444 3 TDs 0 picks 116 rating Haskins 13-29 156 0 TDs 1 pick 1 fumble lost 47.5 rating Trubisky 29-38 280 2 TDs 1 pick 87.6 rating Cousins 24-30 242 1 TD 0 picks 111.4 rating Winston 28-42 458 4 TDs 1 pick 124.9 rating Lock 25-33 192 1 TD 0 picks 99.6 rating Rodgers 27-55 323 2 TDs 1 pick 72 rating In every other game that D gave up 22 TDs with 3 interceptions and 1 fumble recovery from a QB Haskins had no TDs and a pick and a fumble! We've been down this road before. QB Ratings against the Atlanta Falcons over the first 8 weeks of the 2019 season: Kirk Cousins - 140.8 Carson Wentz - 61.3 Jacoby Brissett - 118.1 Marcus Mariota - 129.7 Deshaun Watson - 158.3 Kyler Murray - 128.2 Jared Goff - 99.8 Russell Wilson - 131.7 Yikes, indeed! Hey, that was fun Through the first 9 weeks, the Falcons only had 2 interceptions. Both of those belonged to Wentz. The first 8 weeks the Falcons were a historically bad defense - with the Eagles being the only team they looked decent against. They were on pace to be one of the worst defenses in NFL history, until their improvement came against the Saints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nabbs4u Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 Was that the game where the Eagles lost Alshon, DeSean and Goedert all within the first 8 min of the game? Yeah I'm sure none of the 3 were expected to contribute or effect that overall game plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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HTTRDynasty Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 6 hours ago, Nabbs4u said: Was that the game where the Eagles lost Alshon, DeSean and Goedert all within the first 8 min of the game? Yeah I'm sure none of the 3 were expected to contribute or effect that overall game plan. It doesn't matter. We ignore all context here! Just post stats, stats, and more stats! Who needs context? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkippyX Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 (edited) What a pathetic Straw Man argument pretending Wentz vs the Falcons relates to Dwayne Haskins in any way at all: We all watched the Falcons game on Prime Time Television. He was HORRENDOUS in the first half including an ugly pulling of McCown off the field in the 2 minute drill after injury. He was AMAZING in the 2nd half including throwing the possible game winning TD to Agholor that was dropped. Its hilarious that the Agholor drop which was unlucky for Wentz actually underscores how lucky Haskins was on the long run TD by MacLaurin The Wentz play was a much better and much more difficult throw. How about his other qualifications? Wentz was even with Brady for league MVP through 13 games in 2017. Wentz is the 2nd highest rated passer in Eagles history. Trailing only a Super Bowl MVP Wentz has 95 TDs to 37 picks in his NFL career. This ratio of 2.57 to 1 is 4th all time (5th when Mahomes qualifies) Haskins got lucky that a DB was out of position on a middle slant and he played just a tiny bit better than Keenum for a half against a 5-11 team. Edited April 15, 2020 by SkippyX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HTTRDynasty Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 Lmao. I see. So context only applies when discussing Wentz. And 1st half vs. 2nd half? That's not even a good use of context. Who cares about a half? The full game is what matters. If he had played better in the 1st half, you guys probably would have won. But he didn't, so you lost. On the other hand, you're using a one game sample size to "prove" Haskins sucks. That's why I made that satirical post about Wentz, which clearly went way over your head. Making a claim one way or another based on one game is idiotic. Especially a game where Haskins' Intended Air Yards per Attempt was 13.3 yards, which was a higher average than any game Wentz has ever had in his career. Regardless, back to the original PFF tweet that you in all your infinite wisdom found so hilarious. They had him with the 16th highest grade in the league that week, likely taking the tough passes he was throwing all game into account. And they ranked him 20th in the Eagles game you keep referring to. Would you look at that? It looks like they actually take context into account, like that McLaurin TD being an easy throw. Maybe instead of coming in and posting a bunch of basic stats without context, you can try your hand at advanced stats, or actual film (like the Twitter thread I posted). Then again, that's probably expecting too much out of you. Also, PFF grade for QBs is the most stable year to year metric. So it looks like they're doing something right. I'll take my chances with them over you, at the very least. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeJack_10 Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 Quote No quarterback with at least 200 clean dropbacks in 2019 recorded a lower clean-pocket passer rating than Washington Redskins rookie signal-caller Dwayne Haskins at 81.8. He completed just 63.2% of his attempts for 1,089 yards, five touchdowns and five picks when kept clean a year ago. Haskins, Andy Dalton, Mayfield and Kyle Allen were the only four quarterbacks with sub-90.0 clean-pocket passer ratings in 2019. https://redskinswire.usatoday.com/2020/02/21/haskins-struggled-in-clean-pocket/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HTTRDynasty Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 1 hour ago, DeJack_10 said: Yeah, it sucks for the QB with the 3rd highest drop percentage in the league that passer rating doesn't account for drops and other things that make it such a flawed metric. Dropped INTs for example: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HTTRDynasty Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 (edited) Good article on Haskins for people who actually have the capacity to look beyond basic stats to judge a QB. Quote The other thing hurting him is that his overall box score numbers from the season look worse than the play-by-play analysis of his game. He had just seven touchdowns to seven picks, but he actually had fewer turnover-worthy plays than interceptions. Typically, those numbers work in reverse (defenders drop a lot of would-be picks, so the number of interceptions is usually lower than the number of plays that should have been turnovers). Daniel Jones, for example, had 31 turnover-worthy plays compared to just 12 interceptions. Murray had six more, and Minshew had 12 more. Haskins, in fact, was the only rookie passer to end up with more turnovers than turnover-worthy plays, and that skews the narrative. Haskins actually had by far the lowest turnover-worthy play rate (2.3%) of any of those rookie passers. Edited April 16, 2020 by HTTRDynasty 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 On 4/14/2020 at 9:51 PM, HTTRDynasty said: Not an issue. He came in a little out of shape at the combine, so now people who don't like him will use that for the rest of his career to say he's overweight. He wasn't overweight during his rookie year, and he doesn't seem to be overweight now either... Patrick Mahomes was looking pretty chunky for a while too, but he was fine in the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 On 4/15/2020 at 8:25 PM, HTTRDynasty said: Yeah, it sucks for the QB with the 3rd highest drop percentage in the league that passer rating doesn't account for drops and other things that make it such a flawed metric. Dropped INTs for example: This video shows just how bunk this dudes stats are. He's reaching on far more than half of those. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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