Coaches Thread

[WizardHawk]

I've got it!!!!!  Pats fire BB because he's no longer any good and Dallas swoops in. LOLOLOL.

 

 

[Dallas94Ware]

1 hour ago, D82 said:

I haven't really watched what Indy has been doing on defense...but I know he's loved over there, and they currently have the 3rd rank defense in the NFL. 

Yeah, his defense is very disciplined! It takes a lot of discipline to play that scheme well. It has taken a few years, but they remained patient - and patience is not something much of this fan base seems to have. This fan base would have run him out of town before his scheme had time to pay off.

He is a great coach though. And his scheme is simple. Vanilla, even. Which works well when you are disciplined and masterful at its simple concepts. You dont have to be crafty, or design something complex. Run a 3 or 4 concepts, be perfect at them, and you can defend almost anything.

[D82]

7 minutes ago, Dallas94Ware said:

Yeah, his defense is very disciplined! It takes a lot of discipline to play that scheme well. It has taken a few years, but they remained patient - and patience is not something much of this fan base seems to have. This fan base would have run him out of town before his scheme had time to pay off.

He is a great coach though. And his scheme is simple. Vanilla, even. Which works well when you are disciplined and masterful at its simple concepts. You dont have to be crafty, or design something complex. Run a 3 or 4 concepts, be perfect at them, and you can defend almost anything.

I feel like a good majority of our defense would be familiar with his concepts though, so the hire could work well for us.

[Dallas94Ware]

Its crazy how many outstanding coaches this team let get away.

Sean Payton was a big reason Parcells had some level of success in Dallas. Had Jerry had the ... gonads ... to fire Bill and beg Payton not to leave, wonder where this team would have been in the late 2000s and eaely 2010s?

Zimmer, Parcells let him walk install a proper 34 front. Fine. But when Bill was gone and Zimmer in Cincinatti, Zimmer was still a top candidate. And Jerry went with a 34 specialist to keep Bill's handpicked talents in the front they were drafted to play. But Ware could have played right end, spears/canty at DT, James at Mike, etc. 

Two long tenured Parcells disciples who could have been something for us, are now beloved elsewhere.

Eberflus, when it was time for him to move on up, instead of ousting Marinelli and promoting Eberflus a year earlier than we probably wanted, we let him walk and now he is likely a top HC candidate after this season.

Tony Sparano was a great assistant with the world ahead of him. He did himself a career disservice by going to.the dysfunctional Dolphins franchise. He had amazing potential.

Todd Bowles, same could be said. Very good assistant with the world ahead of him, and he ruined his career by picking a dysfunctional franchise. 

But either could have grown here and been oitstanding coordinators at the least. And potential HC replacements after Wade.

[D82]

2 minutes ago, Dallas94Ware said:

Its crazy how many outstanding coaches this team let get away.

Sean Payton was a big reason Parcells had some level of success in Dallas. Had Jerry had the ... gonads ... to fire Bill and beg Payton not to leave, wonder where this team would have been in the late 2000s and eaely 2010s?

Zimmer, Parcells let him walk install a proper 34 front. Fine. But when Bill was gone and Zimmer in Cincinatti, Zimmer was still a top candidate. And Jerry went with a 34 specialist to keep Bill's handpicked talents in the front they were drafted to play. But Ware could have played right end, spears/canty at DT, James at Mike, etc. 

Two long tenured Parcells disciples who could have been something for us, are now beloved elsewhere.

Eberflus, when it was time for him to move on up, instead of ousting Marinelli and promoting Eberflus a year earlier than we probably wanted, we let him walk and now he is likely a top HC candidate after this season.

Tony Sparano was a great assistant with the world ahead of him. He did himself a career disservice by going to.the dysfunctional Dolphins franchise. He had amazing potential.

Todd Bowles, same could be said. Very good assistant with the world ahead of him, and he ruined his career by picking a dysfunctional franchise. 

But either could have grown here and been oitstanding coordinators at the least. And potential HC replacements after Wade.

I wouldn't say Zimmer is beloved anymore.

[Matts4313]

A lot of this is not accurate Dware....

6 minutes ago, Dallas94Ware said:

Its crazy how many outstanding coaches this team let get away.

Sean Payton was a big reason Parcells had some level of success in Dallas. Had Jerry had the ... gonads ... to fire Bill and beg Payton not to leave, wonder where this team would have been in the late 2000s and eaely 2010s?

This did suck, but there was no reason to get rid of Bill after 2 seasons. 

6 minutes ago, Dallas94Ware said:

Zimmer, Parcells let him walk install a proper 34 front. Fine.

Inaccurate. Zimmer was one of the only people Parcells retained. And they both stayed until Parcells quit.

6 minutes ago, Dallas94Ware said:

But when Bill was gone and Zimmer in Cincinatti, Zimmer was still a top candidate. And Jerry went with a 34 specialist to keep Bill's handpicked talents in the front they were drafted to play. But Ware could have played right end, spears/canty at DT, James at Mike, etc. 

No he wasnt. Which is why he didnt get a HC job for another 7 years after he left.

6 minutes ago, Dallas94Ware said:

Two long tenured Parcells disciples who could have been something for us, are now beloved elsewhere.

WTF are you tripping on right now buddy? *NEITHER* of them were "long tenured" Parcells disciples.

Payton spent 2 of his 17 year career with Parcells up to that point. 

ZimZam had spent 3 of his 27 year coaching career with Parcells. 

6 minutes ago, Dallas94Ware said:

Eberflus, when it was time for him to move on up, instead of ousting Marinelli and promoting Eberflus a year earlier than we probably wanted, we let him walk and now he is likely a top HC candidate after this season.

Rod willingly gave up play calling. And we have no evidence whatsoever that Eberflus will be a good HC.

6 minutes ago, Dallas94Ware said:

Tony Sparano was a great assistant with the world ahead of him. He did himself a career disservice by going to.the dysfunctional Dolphins franchise. He had amazing potential.

Revisionist history. He was a bad HC. 

6 minutes ago, Dallas94Ware said:

Todd Bowles, same could be said. Very good assistant with the world ahead of him, and he ruined his career by picking a dysfunctional franchise. 

.....Cmon man, this dude cant even hold a job for more than a couple years without being fired.

6 minutes ago, Dallas94Ware said:

But either could have grown here and been oitstanding coordinators at the least. And potential HC replacements after Wade.

You are creating a lot of false narratives today. Just like your draft hit/miss and eval on re-signing's. 

[Dallas94Ware]

13 minutes ago, Matts4313 said:

A lot of this is not accurate Dware....

This did suck, but there was no reason to get rid of Bill after 2 seasons. 

Inaccurate. Zimmer was one of the only people Parcells retained. And they both stayed until Parcells quit.

No he wasnt. Which is why he didnt get a HC job for another 7 years after he left.

WTF are you tripping on right now buddy? *NEITHER* of them were "long tenured" Parcells disciples.

Payton spent 2 of his 17 year career with Parcells up to that point. 

ZimZam had spent 3 of his 27 year coaching career with Parcells. 

Rod willingly gave up play calling. And we have no evidence whatsoever that Eberflus will be a good HC.

Revisionist history. He was a bad HC. 

.....Cmon man, this dude cant even hold a job for more than a couple years without being fired.

You are creating a lot of false narratives today. Just like your draft hit/miss and eval on re-signing's. 

Payton and Zimmer are both widely considered Parcells disciples.

In fact, the main reason Brees is in New Orleans is because Payton asked Bill who the better option was - Culpepper after his knee, or Brees after his shoulder. Payton himself has said this.

Zimmer credits his time in Dallas with getting him up to speed on active gameday playcalling. He himself has also said this.

As for Sparano and Bowles, no one is sure what would have been. But they were well respected, well liked, and well thought of assistants. Had they not rushed off to bad teams, there indeed is no telling where they could have gone. And the fact is, Eberflus has gone on to become a great candidate for bigger and better things when this team easily could have made an attempt to keep him. Maybe they didnt believe in his future, but clearly looks bright, as does his present.

i do agree it made no sense to move on from Bill so quickly. And hindsight is aways 20/20. However, the point remains: some good coaches have come from our staffs, which sucks because coaching has been a major flaw for this team. 

Imagine the longterm stability and success Payton could have enjoyed with his own gem find in Romo? Imagine all the defensive woes we may have avoided if eyeing Zimmer long ago? 

You are entitled to your thoughts and I to mine, and we are both free to post them. But that does not mean any thoughts are incorrect. This is not a debate of facts (a crossing pattern vs a post, for example, or a.debate of Xs and Os) but a discussion of what could have been. 

Also, my theory on draft selections 3 and 4 years prior to the current year as a telltale sign of the season to come has a long track record of success. How well you drafted 3 and 4 years prior has a direct correlation to your success in todays NFL. Look at our drafts 3 and 4 years ago and the play of the guys we paid, and look at that of Kansas city last year. You can go all the way down the line.

New england may be the only team to draft subpar and still win, however, Belichick and Brady as a pair have corrected a lot of personnel mistakes.

[Matts4313]

6 minutes ago, Dallas94Ware said:

Payton and Zimmer are both widely considered Parcells disciples.

In fact, the main reason Brees is in New Orleans is because Payton asked Bill who the better option was - Culpepper after his knee, or Brees after his shoulder. Payton himself has said this.

The only reason Brees is in NOLA is because we wouldnt trade them Romo. 

6 minutes ago, Dallas94Ware said:

Zimmer credits his time in Dallas with getting him up to speed on active gameday playcalling. He himself has also said this.

Okay? He was with Dallas for like 15 years.....

6 minutes ago, Dallas94Ware said:

As for Sparano and Bowles, no one is sure what would have been. But they were well respected, well liked, and well thought of assistants. Had they not rushed off to bad teams, there indeed is no telling where they could have gone.

Ehh, there were a lot of negative rumors about both of them.

6 minutes ago, Dallas94Ware said:

And the fact is, Eberflus has gone on to become a great candidate for bigger and better things when this team easily could have made an attempt to keep him. Maybe they didnt believe in his future, but clearly looks bright, as does his present.

So did Bowles and Sparano according to you. And they both sucked.

6 minutes ago, Dallas94Ware said:

i do agree it made no sense to move on from Bill so quickly. And hindsight is aways 20/20. However, the point remains: some good coaches have come from our staffs, which sucks because coaching has been a major flaw for this team. 

For sure. Parcells was always great at putting together an incredible staff. 

6 minutes ago, Dallas94Ware said:

Imagine the longterm stability and success Payton could have enjoyed with his own gem find in Romo? Imagine all the defensive woes we may have avoided if eyeing Zimmer long ago? 

I think you forget the stigma's around Zimmer. @plan9misfit, you wanna take this one?

6 minutes ago, Dallas94Ware said:

You are entitled to your thoughts and I to mine, and we are both free to post them. But that does not mean any thoughts are incorrect. This is not a debate of facts (a crossing pattern vs a post, for example, or a.debate of Xs and Os) but a discussion of what could have been. 

Also, my theory on draft selections 3 and 4 years prior to the current year as a telltale sign of the season to come has a long track record of success. How well you drafted 3 and 4 years prior has a direct correlation to your success in todays NFL. Look at our drafts 3 and 4 years ago and the play of the guys we paid, and look at that of Kansas city last year. You can go all the way down the line.

New england may be the only team to draft subpar and still win, however, Belichick and Brady as a pair have corrected a lot of personnel mistakes.

I think our drafting has been mostly above league average. Even the last 3-4 years. This year is a total meltdown due to a lot of factors, but I dont blame drafting on that. 

You are right about NE. But The Eagles also won one while being horrific in the draft. 

[plan9misfit]

13 minutes ago, Matts4313 said:

The only reason Brees is in NOLA is because we wouldnt trade them Romo. 

Okay? He was with Dallas for like 15 years.....

Ehh, there were a lot of negative rumors about both of them.

So did Bowles and Sparano according to you. And they both sucked.

For sure. Parcells was always great at putting together an incredible staff. 

I think you forget the stigma's around Zimmer. @plan9misfit, you wanna take this one?

I think our drafting has been mostly above league average. Even the last 3-4 years. This year is a total meltdown due to a lot of factors, but I dont blame drafting on that. 

You are right about NE. But The Eagles also won one while being horrific in the draft. 

Matts, I’ll gladly take this.

There’s little chance that things would’ve been much different if Romo played under Payton because of his mental meltdowns. Romo’s problems were 100% mental. Yes, he showed flashes of brilliance, but for every amazing play he made, he leveled the field with 2 mind numbing, back breaking INTs at literally the worst possible moment. Romo was never a winner. He was a stats compiler. 

And, absolutely NOT to Zimmer. The Village Idiot is a mediocre coach. The concept of continually recycling washed up retreads is one of the many reasons why this team has always felt like we were behind the success curve. In this case, we’d have yet another antiquated scheme with yet another “yes man” coach. Haven’t we seen enough of that over the last 20 years? With the exception of Parcells, that’s ALL we’ve had, and look where it’s gotten us: nowhere.

[The_Slamman]

1 hour ago, plan9misfit said:

Matts, I’ll gladly take this.

There’s little chance that things would’ve been much different if Romo played under Payton because of his mental meltdowns. Romo’s problems were 100% mental. Yes, he showed flashes of brilliance, but for every amazing play he made, he leveled the field with 2 mind numbing, back breaking INTs at literally the worst possible moment. Romo was never a winner. He was a stats compiler. 

And, absolutely NOT to Zimmer. The Village Idiot is a mediocre coach. The concept of continually recycling washed up retreads is one of the many reasons why this team has always felt like we were behind the success curve. In this case, we’d have yet another antiquated scheme with yet another “yes man” coach. Haven’t we seen enough of that over the last 20 years? With the exception of Parcells, that’s ALL we’ve had, and look where it’s gotten us: nowhere.

There needs to be a dislike button.  Romo got robbed more than any player I can ever remember.  Like Eli can throw into triple coverage and his no name WR catches a fluke off his helmet.  Romo throws a perfect pass to Patrick Crayton which would have put Dallas in dominating position to win and Patrick just drops it.  The Dez catch.  The Murray fumble.  And I’d love to have rewind button in life to see what Romo would have done in 2016 after he recovered from back injury. 

[Texas_OutLaw7]

12 hours ago, WizardHawk said:

I've got it!!!!!  Pats fire BB because he's no longer any good and Dallas swoops in. LOLOLOL.

 

 

You joke...but...

[Texas_OutLaw7]

10 hours ago, Dallas94Ware said:

In fact, the main reason Brees is in New Orleans is because Payton asked Bill who the better option was - Culpepper after his knee, or Brees after his shoulder. Payton himself has said this.

9 hours ago, Matts4313 said:

The only reason Brees is in NOLA is because we wouldnt trade them Romo. 

 

 

Actually, the reason Brees is a Saint is because the Miami Doctors didn't clear him. Brees would have joined Saban's Dolphins and college / NFL history would have been very different for a variety of reasons.

• Unlikely Saban leaves as quickly as he does; meaning no Alabama revival (and I can really dive in deep how much that would have influenced the rest of the SEC like Urban's heart attacks).
• Saban & the Hoodie likely have some excellent fights, does this means the Hoodie is denied some rings?
• Brees likely plays the role of Game Manager and never elevates to a HOF career.
• New Orleans likely never wins a SB immediately following Katrina. 
• Sean would have needed to draft his QB, could he do it? Would he have lasted?

All fascinating changes....all because one Miami doctor would not clear Brees.

[atran35]

7 hours ago, The_Slamman said:

There needs to be a dislike button.  Romo got robbed more than any player I can ever remember.  Like Eli can throw into triple coverage and his no name WR catches a fluke off his helmet.  Romo throws a perfect pass to Patrick Crayton which would have put Dallas in dominating position to win and Patrick just drops it.  The Dez catch.  The Murray fumble.  And I’d love to have rewind button in life to see what Romo would have done in 2016 after he recovered from back injury. 

And the MILES AUSTIN lost it in the light TD pass. JEEZ. 

[CAPJ]

7 hours ago, The_Slamman said:

There needs to be a dislike button.  Romo got robbed more than any player I can ever remember.  Like Eli can throw into triple coverage and his no name WR catches a fluke off his helmet.  Romo throws a perfect pass to Patrick Crayton which would have put Dallas in dominating position to win and Patrick just drops it.  The Dez catch.  The Murray fumble.  And I’d love to have rewind button in life to see what Romo would have done in 2016 after he recovered from back injury. 

Not to mention the garbage oline that had him running for his life before we decided to invest in to some decent players.

Years Romo stayed healthy we were always competing for the division title.  Years he got hurt we were picking in top 10 and our backups were lucky enough to even get 1 win.

Not to mention, making his receivers significantly better.

How was Crayton, Austin, Laurent Robinson, hell even Dez without Tony?

Pains me to never see Tony win a title.

[Dallas94Ware]

55 minutes ago, Texas_OutLaw7 said:

Actually, the reason Brees is a Saint is because the Miami Doctors didn't clear him. Brees would have joined Saban's Dolphins and college / NFL history would have been very different for a variety of reasons.

• Unlikely Saban leaves as quickly as he does; meaning no Alabama revival (and I can really dive in deep how much that would have influenced the rest of the SEC like Urban's heart attacks).
• Saban & the Hoodie likely have some excellent fights, does this means the Hoodie is denied some rings?
• Brees likely plays the role of Game Manager and never elevates to a HOF career.
• New Orleans likely never wins a SB immediately following Katrina. 
• Sean would have needed to draft his QB, could he do it? Would he have lasted?

All fascinating changes....all because one Miami doctor would not clear Brees.

The doctors can clear the player if the team truly wants them to, that is no real secret

Payton has been very verbal about Bill's influence on picking up Brees, that is no real secret either. When Payton first went to New Orleans, he reached out to Bill about several things, this being one of them. And yes, he did ask for Romo, that is true as well.

@plan9misfit and slam, I get it, you obviously dislike Zimmer. And for all the hate you once gave Romo you now think the world of him after the fact. Im very confused here as to what your points now are, lol. I happen to like Zimmer and think he is continually screwed by Spielman shoving players at him that have no business fitting into their puzzle, and Zimmer somehow still keeps them co.petitive. You can dislike him though. Thats how this works you know.