Rich7sena Posted January 19, 2021 Author Share Posted January 19, 2021 2 hours ago, bucksavage1 said: Watson is obviously better Nah bruv 8-8 > 4-11. Or do wins not matter? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCOUGHMAN Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 1 hour ago, oakdb36 said: Disagree? Agree to disagree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oakdb36 Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 19 minutes ago, NCOUGHMAN said: Agree to disagree Aren't you coaching? Do you think your QB is the one winning games or is it the team? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drfrey13 Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 No matter if we think Carr is great or should be cut I think we can all agree that the QB is the single most important player on the team. He is the only player with his hands on the ball in a meaningful way every single play. He is suppose to be an extension of the coach also. If you have a bad QB you need players everywhere else including defense to pick up the slack. Can you put all the blame on the QB? No but you will give him more credit or blame depending on how much the team is set up to rely on him. If you talk about the Ravens winning the Super Bowl you talk about the defense winning it in spite of Dilfer. If you look at NE the first couple championships you say Brady do enough to win but after he carried that team. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drfrey13 Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 49 minutes ago, big_palooka said: The defense had the team in very winnable spots multiple times down the stretch and the offense didn't capitalize. But that is my point... everything has to run on schedule with Carr to be successful. The moment the run game is bottled up and he can't elevate. And once you rattle him even slightly (Atanta) his wheels come completely off. The running game and defense have nothing to do with fumbling every time he's touched. That's a mindset matter with him. He can't make plays off schedule consistently. I agree with most of this but Carr did flash a few times and looked like his precontract self. It did not happen enough but at least it started to happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCOUGHMAN Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 19 minutes ago, oakdb36 said: Aren't you coaching? Do you think your QB is the one winning games or is it the team? Imo qb is the only person on the team who has the most influence on the outcome of a game besides the center. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oakdb36 Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 3 minutes ago, NCOUGHMAN said: Imo qb is the only person on the team who has the most influence on the outcome of a game besides the center. He has more than any other single player but not more than the whole team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCOUGHMAN Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 16 minutes ago, oakdb36 said: He has more than any other single player but not more than the whole team. I see things slightly different overall take it or leave it. Imo the rule changes of hitting qbs and wrs made this a offensive league imo. Defense won’t win you chips but It will keep you in the game. Offense has to win the games imo. Qb play is the single most Important factor In wins and losses also why qbs make the most $. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bucksavage1 Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 1 hour ago, Rich7sena said: Nah bruv 8-8 > 4-11. Or do wins not matter? 25-22 > 47-63 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankie2Gunz Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 10 minutes ago, bucksavage1 said: 25-22 > 47-63 SB winning QB Joe Flacco 108 and 82. HOFer Warren Moon 105 and 108. Are you saying that Flacco is a better QB than HOFer Warren Moon because he has a SB victory and an over .500 career winning percentage? Are you also saying that the people who voted Moon in are wrong and he should not be there because he lost more games than he won? I'm trying to follow your logic here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bucksavage1 Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 4 minutes ago, Frankie2Gunz said: SB winning QB Joe Flacco 108 and 82. HOFer Warren Moon 105 and 108. Are you saying that Flacco is a better QB than HOFer Warren Moon because he has a SB victory and an over .500 career winning percentage? Are you also saying that the people who voted Moon in are wrong and he should not be there because he lost more games than he won? I'm trying to follow your logic here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 1 hour ago, big_palooka said: The defense had the team in very winnable spots multiple times down the stretch and the offense didn't capitalize. But that is my point... everything has to run on schedule with Carr to be successful. The moment the run game is bottled up and he can't elevate. And once you rattle him even slightly (Atanta) his wheels come completely off. The running game and defense have nothing to do with fumbling every time he's touched. That's a mindset matter with him. He can't make plays off schedule consistently. The defense gave up 29 a game. The defense didn't have us in anything. I don't get how you can even come to their defense (lol). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankie2Gunz Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 3 minutes ago, bucksavage1 said: It's quite simple. If one is going to make statements be able to articulate what the meaning of those statements is. Based on his logic he is saying that Falcco is a better QB than HOFer Warren Moon because he won a super bowl and has an above .500 career winning percentage. Flacco should be in the HOF and the voters got it wrong, that is exactly the point he is trying to make... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich7sena Posted January 20, 2021 Author Share Posted January 20, 2021 28 minutes ago, bucksavage1 said: 25-22 > 47-63 Ah, so Jared Goff (47-27) is better than Deshaun Watson. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bucksavage1 Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 This Forum is mostly centered around the NFL Draft More times than not, the #1 pick is a QB. It is because their the most important player on the field. When you have a difference maker at QB, you're automatically have a better chance to contend year in year out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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