ReadyToThump Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 Packers Bills Browns Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas5737 Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 The 9-3 Browns are a home underdog to the 7-5 Ravens. They haven't gotten (or earned, I dunno) respect yet so I don't think they shouldn't keep being included in these comparisons. Maybe if it was Browns v Dolphins v Patriots v Raiders they would have a chance to compete in the poll. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tk3 Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 On 12/9/2020 at 1:42 AM, Forge said: Bills > Packers > Browns. I'm all in on my boy Josh Allen. I'm here for it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanedorf Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 On 12/8/2020 at 10:42 PM, Forge said: Bills > Packers > Browns. I'm all in on my boy Josh Allen. @Forge What are you thinking for a point spread if Packers vs Bills were on the schedule for next Sunday ? Location doesn't seem to matter as much for 2020, but gimme your thoughts for a game played in Buffalo. thx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacReady Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 Packers only because of experience. Bills next. Browns. So and so could probably beat so and so in the regular season if they had a good week and the other a bad, but if any of these teams meet, the Packers beat either and the Bills beat the Browns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forge Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 2 hours ago, Shanedorf said: @Forge What are you thinking for a point spread if Packers vs Bills were on the schedule for next Sunday ? Location doesn't seem to matter as much for 2020, but gimme your thoughts for a game played in Buffalo. thx Honestly, I feel like Bills are a dog in that scenario. Not much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanedorf Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 thx. Here's some numbers. Sagarin is betting-based by different methods - and Packers/Bills are nearly identical, with only 0.27 between them http://sagarin.com/sports/nflsend.htm The overall is a synthesis of the three different SCORE-BASED methods, , , and and thus should be a good predictor in its own right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buno67 Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 So the Bengals have more wins over .500 teams than the Packers. Just saying... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archimedes Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 The Browns are a feel good story and their fan base deserves to watch this success, but they’re not even close to the level of the Bills/Packers, both of whom are legit Super Bowl contenders. I mean, c’mon now, they have a negative point differential while having played one of the leagues easiest schedules. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DawgX Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 7 hours ago, Archimedes said: The Browns are a feel good story and their fan base deserves to watch this success, but they’re not even close to the level of the Bills/Packers, both of whom are legit Super Bowl contenders. I mean, c’mon now, they have a negative point differential while having played one of the leagues easiest schedules. I don't disagree that we're not on the level of those two teams, but let's just say the point differential is highly skewed by two big losses (one being week one with a brand new coaching staff and schemes going up against the Ravens in a COVID-shortened offseason) AND the fact that we took our foot off the breaks in games where we had big leads and let other teams score some points just in an effort to burn some clock. Games vs. the Eagles and Bengals, IIRC, both scored with like a minute or less left on the clock when they were down multiple scores. Nick Chubb vs. the Texans literally stepped out of bounds at the one just to end the game when we could have won that game by 10 instead of 3. The Titans and Cowboys scored in bunches to make the score closer, but I don't think anyone who watched those games would deny that the Browns were thoroughly the better team in those games despite the somewhat close scores. Like I said, I agree we're not as good as those teams, but there's reasons why our point differential is vastly skewed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WizeGuy Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 7 hours ago, Archimedes said: The Browns are a feel good story and their fan base deserves to watch this success, but they’re not even close to the level of the Bills/Packers, both of whom are legit Super Bowl contenders. I mean, c’mon now, they have a negative point differential while having played one of the leagues easiest schedules. They're improving, though, and if Baker continues playing like a top-10 QB then they're legit. I actually think the Browns would give Buffalo fits. Allen is prone to an off game every now and then, and the Browns offense would put Buffalo's defense on their heels since they have so many different ways of attacking now that Baker is playing well. I think they're a very strong team. They def have to prove they belong, though. They've beaten a couple of good teams in the Titans and Colts, but they've also barely beaten some trash teams like the Jags, Texans, Eagles, etc...Still, they're heating up at the right moment. If the defense can play consistent- they could make some noise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archimedes Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 26 minutes ago, WizeGuy said: They're improving, though, and if Baker continues playing like a top-10 QB then they're legit. I actually think the Browns would give Buffalo fits. Allen is prone to an off game every now and then, and the Browns offense would put Buffalo's defense on their heels since they have so many different ways of attacking now that Baker is playing well. I think they're a very strong team. They def have to prove they belong, though. They've beaten a couple of good teams in the Titans and Colts, but they've also barely beaten some trash teams like the Jags, Texans, Eagles, etc...Still, they're heating up at the right moment. If the defense can play consistent- they could make some noise. And Allen has played like a top 5 QB this season. He’s arguably been the 3rd best QB this year after Rodgers and Mahomes. If the Browns path to success over the Bills relies on Allen playing below his typical level this year, that tells you about the difference between those teams. They’re a mid-tier team who’s been able to bubble up because of the schedule. Nothing wrong with that, but I think they’re the weakest playoff team in the AFC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archimedes Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, DawgX said: I don't disagree that we're not on the level of those two teams, but let's just say the point differential is highly skewed by two big losses (one being week one with a brand new coaching staff and schemes going up against the Ravens in a COVID-shortened offseason) AND the fact that we took our foot off the breaks in games where we had big leads and let other teams score some points just in an effort to burn some clock. Games vs. the Eagles and Bengals, IIRC, both scored with like a minute or less left on the clock when they were down multiple scores. Nick Chubb vs. the Texans literally stepped out of bounds at the one just to end the game when we could have won that game by 10 instead of 3. The Titans and Cowboys scored in bunches to make the score closer, but I don't think anyone who watched those games would deny that the Browns were thoroughly the better team in those games despite the somewhat close scores. Like I said, I agree we're not as good as those teams, but there's reasons why our point differential is vastly skewed. That’s fine. You could improve your point differential by 40 and you’d still be below every team that’s currently holding a playoff spot in the AFC, as well as the Ravens. And you’d still be over 20 points behind the playoff team that has the worst point differential. And that’s having played a very easy schedule. I’ll be extremely happy for you guys if you end up making noise in the playoffs and prove me wrong. I don’t think any other fan base has in the NFL has earned it more. But I certainly wouldn’t bet any money on y’all to win a playoff game. Edited December 23, 2020 by Archimedes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 14 hours ago, buno67 said: So the Bengals have more wins over .500 teams than the Packers. Just saying... Funny how handing out a collective 11 losses to your opponents deceases their winning % lol #maths Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas5737 Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 1 hour ago, WizeGuy said: but they've also barely beaten some trash teams like the Jags, Texans, Eagles, etc.. On the scoreboard, sure. Jags were gifted their last score to make it look close. Eagles scored a TD with 30 seconds left to make it look close (5 points). Browns could have won by 10 vs the Texans in a windstorm and still the Texans were down 10 when they last got the ball so they never had the ball with a chance to tie/win. Titans and Cowboys scoreboard looks close too, but there was never a threat. The Browns have done a great job of not losing to teams they shouldn't lose to. The Raiders got us in another bad weather game when we were without Chubb but we dropped 2 TD passes that could have been the difference in that game. Browns defense could give up 30 points to any offense so as a team they aren't great. They are however a threat because they can score with anyone if their running or passing game gets going. If both are working they are downright scary on offense. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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