squire12 Posted December 28, 2020 Author Share Posted December 28, 2020 5 minutes ago, AlexGreen#20 said: I have no idea what specific distinction one would use to make that conclusion. A CT scan indicating the brain damage probably. So you think a muscle injury or ligament/tendon or joint injury history would not be similar in identifying lingering structural changes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodjahs12 Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 2 minutes ago, Rodjahs12 said: If we don’t retain King, we don’t necessarily have to settle for a rookie or one of Hollman/Jackson. Someone like Cameron Sutton or Mackensie Alexander would probably cost a similar price to King and give us an entirely different skillset in a #2 corner. Not saying that’s my preference, but it’s an option that doesn’t necessarily mean an immediate downgrade. Just adding on to this point, this FA CB class is very weak. There’s maybe 5 guys I’d even consider and I’m confident in exactly none of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexGreen#20 Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 1 minute ago, squire12 said: So you think a muscle injury or ligament/tendon or joint injury history would not be similar in identifying lingering structural changes? Very much so. Stenosis and spinal alignment issues are very identifiable for back injuries. An MRI will tell you the cartilage condition of a knee injury and show you any kind of osteochondral defect. If you're expressly worried about an orthopedic or spinal injury happening, there's typically a physical indicator you can point to in order to jstify your concerns. Concussions are a little bit different. We're way behind on that kind of testing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squire12 Posted December 28, 2020 Author Share Posted December 28, 2020 3 minutes ago, AlexGreen#20 said: Very much so. Stenosis and spinal alignment issues are very identifiable for back injuries. An MRI will tell you the cartilage condition of a knee injury and show you any kind of osteochondral defect. If you're expressly worried about an orthopedic or spinal injury happening, there's typically a physical indicator you can point to in order to jstify your concerns. Concussions are a little bit different. We're way behind on that kind of testing. Correct. there is not a very reliable way to determine early brain structural changes/damage regarding concussions. It is a soft tissue injury, but of the neurological variety that is also very plastic and adaptive. Thera are similar issues with chronic musculoskeletal injuries that carry a neurological aspect that is not very well understood. Muscle strains that have a deep rooted issue with imbalances in length/tension and neuro-sensing structures (Golgi tendon, muscle spindles, etc). Add in the alterations in motor programming and somatosensory processing that takes place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexGreen#20 Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 1 hour ago, squire12 said: Correct. there is not a very reliable way to determine early brain structural changes/damage regarding concussions. It is a soft tissue injury, but of the neurological variety that is also very plastic and adaptive. Thera are similar issues with chronic musculoskeletal injuries that carry a neurological aspect that is not very well understood. Muscle strains that have a deep rooted issue with imbalances in length/tension and neuro-sensing structures (Golgi tendon, muscle spindles, etc). Add in the alterations in motor programming and somatosensory processing that takes place. Sure, but three different soft tissue issues hardly points to a systemic muscular problem that's likely to be recurring? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squire12 Posted December 28, 2020 Author Share Posted December 28, 2020 18 minutes ago, AlexGreen#20 said: Sure, but three different soft tissue issues hardly points to a systemic muscular problem that's likely to be recurring? 3 different soft tissue injuries actually implies a systemic problem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexGreen#20 Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 1 minute ago, squire12 said: 3 different soft tissue injuries actually implies a systemic problem Stating that with any degree of confidence is making an unfounded assumption. At best you're speaking about a possibility. Guys get hurt in the NFL at a level that isn't really comparable to the general population. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squire12 Posted December 28, 2020 Author Share Posted December 28, 2020 9 minutes ago, AlexGreen#20 said: Stating that with any degree of confidence is making an unfounded assumption. At best you're speaking about a possibility. Guys get hurt in the NFL at a level that isn't really comparable to the general population. sure. King has laxity in his shoulders. That is something that can be indicative of systemic laxity in other joints and soft tissue resiliency. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexGreen#20 Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 15 minutes ago, squire12 said: sure. King has laxity in his shoulders. That is something that can be indicative of systemic laxity in other joints and soft tissue resiliency. Can be, but to say it's something neurological rather than a one time thing is a reach. There's a whole bunch of dudes playing this sport that have shoulders that pop out without anything else being wrong with them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squire12 Posted December 28, 2020 Author Share Posted December 28, 2020 Just now, AlexGreen#20 said: Can be, but to say it's something neurological rather than a one time thing is a reach. There's a whole bunch of dudes playing this sport that have shoulders that pop out without anything else being wrong with them. so if he has laxity in his shoulders, it is a structural issue. If he has poor neuro-muscular control of the shoulder joint related to the laxity of his shoulder joint and it is dislocating, then it is a neurological component added to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexGreen#20 Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 5 minutes ago, squire12 said: so if he has laxity in his shoulders, it is a structural issue. If he has poor neuro-muscular control of the shoulder joint related to the laxity of his shoulder joint and it is dislocating, then it is a neurological component added to it. But he hasn't been missing time because of his shoulder. A lot of the guys that have issues with the shoulder dislocation just reach the point where the joint gets so worn down that it goes in and out without even being problematic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebpackfan Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 If we resign king for more than 10M/yr I’m gonna have laxity of my colon. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squire12 Posted December 28, 2020 Author Share Posted December 28, 2020 8 minutes ago, AlexGreen#20 said: But he hasn't been missing time because of his shoulder. You saying with confidence his shoulder issues are behind him? The prevalence of shoulder dislocations after having already had 1 is significantly higher. 8 minutes ago, AlexGreen#20 said: A lot of the guys that have issues with the shoulder dislocation just reach the point where the joint gets so worn down that it goes in and out without even being problematic. That I know. His issues have been other soft tissue injuries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachbuns Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 4 hours ago, AlexGreen#20 said: Cornerback is a premium position. There is no argument that it is not. The position is premium no debate but .. is King premium? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexGreen#20 Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 1 minute ago, squire12 said: You saying with confidence his shoulder issues are behind him? The prevalence of shoulder dislocations after having already had 1 is significantly higher. That I know. His issues have been other soft tissue injuries. So the question is, is there something systemic with his injuries or did he just plant a foot goofy a couple of times? Hard for me to draw any kind of conclusion from what we've seen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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