BigTrav Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 (edited) 54 minutes ago, incognito_man said: I don't know what sort of validation you need as a fan but everyone knows KC is a really good team, in the top tier, and very capable of winning the super bowl. And DVOA supports that. Don't want any validation, just pointing out that ranking 3 teams higher than us, all of whom we've beat in their back yards is a bit...flawed. Wouldn't you say? Edited January 12, 2021 by BigTrav 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 3 minutes ago, BigTrav said: Don't want any validation, just pointing out that ranking 3 teams higher than us, all of whom we've beat in their back yards is a bit...flawed. Wouldn't you say? No. It's just math. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTrav Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 5 minutes ago, incognito_man said: No. It's just math. Well that settles it. Tampa Bay are better coz math Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 28 minutes ago, BigTrav said: Well that settles it. Tampa Bay are better coz math It's ok. We all have our strengths and weaknesses. I'm sure you can drink beer really fast or something Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonMcC2018 Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 After the week 8 demolition of the Jets the Chiefs won 7 straight games but the margins of victory were just 2, 4, 3, 6, 6, 3, 3 points. For whatever reason they haven't been the juggernaut you might expect. That said would anyone be shocked if they dropped 35/40 points on the Browns here and this game was over by half time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onejayhawk Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 (edited) 11 hours ago, diamondbull424 said: It’s cherry picking because you simply said, “x team is the #1 rushing unit.. the Chiefs held that unit to 158 yards... x amount less than the Ravens seasonal YPC.” Which completely ignores the fact that the Ravens YPG during the 1st half of the season was 156 YPG, while over the last 8 games was 227.5 YPG. The Chiefs gave up comparable YPG to their averages to that point in the season, while giving up far more YPC in comparison to a few of their other opponents at that time in the season. Let’s look at the YPA for the Ravens RBs during the 1st half to compare it to the Chiefs numbers: CLE- 3.2 YPA, HOU- 8.4 YPA (thanks to Dobbins), KC- 7.1 YPA, WFT- 4.0 YPA, CIN- 6.1 YPA, PHI- 2.6 YPA, PIT- 6.5 YPA (first game where Ingram was benched). So yes, you point to YPG numbers for Baltimore and comparing it to their seasonal average built on the back of the second half of the season’s historic efforts- after Ingram was benched, is absolutely the definition of cherry picking. Especially when if you simply look at the YPG numbers, one might ASSUME that the Chiefs played better run defense than the Eagles. Heck one could assume that the Eagles were one of the worst run defensive units we saw in the season, whereas in reality they were one of the best. —— So theres nothing wrong with comparing the Browns to the Ravens, however in the way you’ve done... leaves a lot to be desired. It was flawed in multiple ways. Now had your point been that if the Chiefs jump up on the Browns, they can keep the rushing attack from being a strong factor in the game... and using that as the goal of the comparison, then that would’ve held far stronger than comparing the Chiefs run defense from last years playoff game for this seasons team or comparing this seasons run defense to a data set that is outdated. Which makes it cherry picking. I call BS. There may be an argument to made that the Ravens are not the #1 rushing team. Fine. They are still a noticeably better rushing team than the Browns. If the Chiefs merely held them to their average at the time, then they held a better rushing unit than the Browns to their average. If the best you can say is that the opponent held a better team to their average, what does that suggest about your chances? If an example is interchangeable with several others, then it isn't cherry picking, it's exemplifying. Rewatch the Super Bowl. Mostert was coming off a 200 yard game. There is the AFC championship against Tennessee. Earlier in the season it was Minnesota when Cook was leading the league in rushing. This season it's Baltimore, New England and New Orleans. Baltimore is just the highest ranked. The Chiefs have been prone to giving up yards on the ground when they hold a lead, which is a lot of the time. That is a choice by the DC and Spagnuolo has done it consistently his whole time in KC. When the game plan needed to be oriented toward controlling the running game, they have been able to do that. J Edited January 12, 2021 by onejayhawk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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DawgX Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 1 hour ago, childofpudding said: 31-25 Chiefs. Cleveland is only able to hang with the Chiefs' offense for so long. I'll be shocked if we hold the Chiefs to only 31 points, or anything less than 40 to be honest. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastSideDawg Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 1 hour ago, JonMcC2018 said: After the week 8 demolition of the Jets the Chiefs won 7 straight games but the margins of victory were just 2, 4, 3, 6, 6, 3, 3 points. For whatever reason they haven't been the juggernaut you might expect. That said would anyone be shocked if they dropped 35/40 points on the Browns here and this game was over by half time? no but the browns offense has been good Browns and chiefs have both scored 30+ points 9 times this season. the browns have scored 40+ 4 times and the chiefs 40+ 1 time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastSideDawg Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 (edited) 50 minutes ago, onejayhawk said: I call BS. There may be an argument to made that the Ravens are not the #1 rushing team. Fine. They are still a noticeably better rushing team than the Browns. If the Chiefs merely held them to their average at the time, then they held a better rushing unit than the Browns to their average. If the best you can say is that the opponent held a better team to their average, what does that suggest about your chances? If an example is interchangeable with several others, then it isn't cherry picking, it's exemplifying. Rewatch the Super Bowl. Mostert was coming off a 200 yard game. There is the AFC championship against Tennessee. Earlier in the season it was Minnesota when Cook was leading the league in rushing. This season it's Baltimore, New England and New Orleans. Baltimore is just the highest ranked. The Chiefs have been prone to giving up yards on the ground when they hold a lead, which is a lot of the time. That is a choice by the DC and Spagnuolo has done it consistently his whole time in KC. When the game plan needed to be oriented toward controlling the running game, they have been able to do that. J what the browns do will be dictated by what the chiefs do on defense. If they load up the box the browns will play action and throw every play.... the titans tried this and baker had 4 TD passes by halftime. Stefanski is a really good coach but he will not bang his head into a will running into overloaded boxes all game. Edited January 12, 2021 by EastSideDawg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onejayhawk Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 I know. It's called a game plan. Cleveland has to come up with a plan to beat a much better team. I don't think getting a touchdown on the opponents first play works more than once. J Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiefer Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 Mahomes being extra complimentary to the Browns and their players 😂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AkronsWitness Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 1 hour ago, Chiefer said: Mahomes being extra complimentary to the Browns and their players 😂 I mean giving the other team any sort of extra motivation for a sound bite is completely dumb regardless if its a 15-0 team playing a 0-15 team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTrav Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 3 hours ago, incognito_man said: It's ok. We all have our strengths and weaknesses. I'm sure you can drink beer really fast or something I can actually. But my CO doesn't let me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTrav Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 2 hours ago, EastSideDawg said: what the browns do will be dictated by what the chiefs do on defense. If they load up the box the browns will play action and throw every play.... the titans tried this and baker had 4 TD passes by halftime. Stefanski is a really good coach but he will not bang his head into a will running into overloaded boxes all game. Fortunately our first team all pro DB is pretty versatile and can be both 'in the box' or outside it on the same play. Also we have 2nd team all pro defensive tackle that allows us to be more diverse with what our (returning) LBs have to do. Ya'll make it sound like KC's defense is an all time dud Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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