Covid-19 News/Discussion

[LETSGOBROWNIES]

Just now, ramssuperbowl99 said:

The point isn't that there are more sociopaths in those jobs, is that we have important jobs that only sociopaths can do. It's not a chicken or the egg thing.

And for the record, I wasn't just specifying politics specifically or even elected officials. Being a National Security Advisor or the CEO of any Fortune 500 company is an equally insane thing to do.

Well yeah, you have to put your personal agenda above the greater good at times.

People with a strong moral compass struggle with that.

[LETSGOBROWNIES]

2 minutes ago, MWil23 said:

Facebook..

 

[Xenos]

1 minute ago, BayRaider said:

Considering the Full FDA Approval, I’m quite intrigured where our National Fully Vaccination Rate will be at in about 8-9 weeks (takes 8 weeks to be fully vaxxed considering 2 weeks after second shot). 
 

I still respect anyone’s decision to not take the vaccine, regardless of reason (unlike quite a few in this thread) but I also respect employer mandates and hope as many people get vaccinated as possible. The pandemic will never “end” (and people need to understand that, and be comfortable with the risk, as everything will eventually operate as normally as pre-pandemic), but we can curb the effects of it as much as possible if we can get that vaccination rate up, which I’m sure everyone here is in agreement with. 

 

Yes on the last part. 

As it is right now, we can’t live with Covid yet. 

[NateDawg]

I personally couldn’t care less about political affiliation when it comes to people’s lives. When somebody is on a ventilator, I don’t care what their political party is, whether or not they took the vaccination or not, etc. My heart is still going to hurt for whomever. People are not going to agree on the solutions, and there are secondary problems from whatever the possible solution is. People can disagree and that’s fine. But too many people villainize people for not making the same decisions as them and judge unfairly without knowing that there are a million reasons people make the decision that they do. Shame on the person that just decides to make a party decision, be stubborn, etc. I’m not talking about ignorant people. But I do not believe that to be the majority. And from my experience, this vaccination is not going to be a consensus, and regardless at this point, Covid is here to stay. So I am more focused on how we function as a society long-term at this point while accepting that it will not be eradicated.

[BayRaider]

3 minutes ago, Xenos said:

Yes on the last part. 

As it is right now, we can’t live with Covid yet. 

Disagree. There should be no business restrictions of any kind. They have suffered enough and we need to get back to being a normal society. Plus, businesses are not the main reason for the spread, that would be schools. If they want to shut down schools for 30 days on a national level, I would not be opposed to that, I am reasonable. But, leave businesses alone. Period. Especially with EDD gone, people cannot take another business shutdown or “Tier System”, both the Business and the Employees. 
 

[Xenos]

10 minutes ago, LETSGOBROWNIES said:

I don’t care to discuss the politics of things more than necessary as to avoid this getting locked, so I’ll try to toe a fine line.

I’m not concerned with red or blue as far as covid goes, simply good policy vs bad policy.

That said, the bad policy as it relates to measures to prevent the spread of covid and protect the public is largely coming from….. well, I’ll stop here.

Exactly! Regardless if you’re blue or red leader, if you’re doing stupid things like banning mask or vaccine mandates, then you’re part of the problem. That’s a bad policy.

[Xenos]

2 minutes ago, BayRaider said:

Disagree. There should be no business restrictions of any kind. They have suffered enough and we need to get back to being a normal society. Plus, businesses are not the main reason for the spread, that would be schools. If they want to shut down schools for 30 days on a national level, I would not be opposed to that, I am reasonable. But, leave businesses alone. Period. Especially with EDD gone, people cannot take another business shutdown or “Tier System”, both the Business and the Employees. 
 

You know what also causes businesses to shut down? If there’s an outbreak because not enough people are vaccinated. Right now, we’re lucky that the restrictions are just primarily indoor masking. But for places like restaurants and bars that need you to be unmasked at some point, it’s down to vaccine passports. 

[LETSGOBROWNIES]

6 minutes ago, BayRaider said:

Disagree. There should be no business restrictions of any kind. They have suffered enough and we need to get back to being a normal society. Plus, businesses are not the main reason for the spread, that would be schools. If they want to shut down schools for 30 days on a national level, I would not be opposed to that, I am reasonable. But, leave businesses alone. Period. Especially with EDD gone, people cannot take another business shutdown or “Tier System”, both the Business and the Employees. 
 

I don’t think anything needs to be shut down tbh, we just need masks for the time being.

Once employers start mandating them, insurers start upping premiums for unvaccinated, employers don’t give paid time off for illness due to covid if you’re not vaccinated, more and more people will come around.

Once under 12 can be vaccinated, more and more protected.

Until then, wear a mask indoor when appropriate and keep on doing stuff.

[MWil23]

I get it though. Some of you don't like me, and I really couldn't care less. I'm sure in some cases, the feeling is very mutual. I can be unfiltered, and I have no problem owning when I'm wrong, reassessing things, and seeking forgiveness accordingly. To those who have a personal issue with me, feel free to PM me and we'll work it out...or at least agree to leave each other alone. Either of those is fine with me.

 

[BayRaider]

4 minutes ago, Xenos said:

You know what also causes businesses to shut down? If there’s an outbreak because not enough people are vaccinated. Right now, we’re lucky that the restrictions are just primarily indoor masking. But for places like restaurants and bars that need you to be unmasked at some point, it’s down to vaccine passports. 

I have not seen casinos, restaurants, or bars require a vaccine card, nor would that ever be a thing. That is extremely far-fetched and would still put a huge hamper on business. Sure, you can say make the cards digital at some point which would make things easier, but it would still be a huge hassle and cause a ton of people not to go out, and eventually an economic crisis (talk to me in 3 years if you don’t believe me). Most people are lazy (regardless of political spectrum), and if you add an extra step/layer to going out, most of the time they are gonna choose not to go out. 

[BayRaider]

1 minute ago, BayRaider said:

I have not seen casinos, restaurants, or bars require a vaccine card, nor would that ever be a thing. That is extremely far-fetched and would still put a huge hamper on business. Sure, you can say make the cards digital at some point which would make things easier, but it would still be a huge hassle and cause a ton of people not to go out, and eventually an economic crisis (talk to me in 3 years if you don’t believe me). Most people are lazy (regardless of political spectrum), and if you add an extra step/layer to going out, most of the time they are gonna choose not to go out. 

I will add though, I agree with sports stadiums and concerts doing it. But that’s it. 

[minutemancl]

1 minute ago, BayRaider said:

I have not seen casinos, restaurants, or bars require a vaccine card, nor would that ever be a thing. That is extremely far-fetched and would still put a huge hamper on business. Sure, you can say make the cards digital at some point which would make things easier, but it would still be a huge hassle and cause a ton of people not to go out, and eventually an economic crisis (talk to me in 3 years if you don’t believe me). Most people are lazy (regardless of political spectrum), and if you add an extra step/layer to going out, most of the time they are gonna choose not to go out. 

It's a thing in New York right now.

[Xenos]

Just now, minutemancl said:

It's a thing in New York right now.

I hope your economy isn’t tanking right now then.

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[BayRaider]

The way you mandate it is through employers. Period. That will eventually do the trick and get enough people vaccinated. Mandating it for customers (outside of sports stadiums, concerts, and 5k+ crowds) is not going to be a universal thing, nor should it. 

Edited August 27, 2021 by BayRaider