NYRaider Posted March 27, 2021 Share Posted March 27, 2021 3 minutes ago, drfrey13 said: I already said RRH, Tomlinson, and Reed would be my starting level caliber DTs. Jus because you do not sign one does not mean you start handing out guaranteed money, locking you in, to players that are not guaranteed starters. Work a trade , look to the draft, or be patient for June 1st cuts. You do not chase. I would feel better about the position if we had Hurst, Irving at minimum, and Philon at minimum only right now because we would still be flexible. Instead we need to get lucky and have one of them prove they are the starter. The panicked and chased lesser talent. They did not break the bank for them but the guaranteed money locks you up. Robertson-Harris missed half the season last year and has 7.5 sacks in 52 career games on a good defense. Tomlinson got $11M APY and is a non-pass rusher, he's a 2 down player. And Reed just became available after signing a 2 yr/$23M deal with Seattle last offseason. He's going to be seeking a big extension and Seattle tried to trade him before they cut him but couldn't find a trade partner. We really didn't chase we gave guys 1 year prove it deals. Jefferson has a $3.25M cap hit, Thomas has a $2.8M cap hit, Irving has a $1M cap hit, and I believe Philon is on a minimum deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddevil Posted March 27, 2021 Share Posted March 27, 2021 16 minutes ago, drfrey13 said: No but wasting money helps nothing. They are trying to get lucky again so Gruden can look like the smartest guy in the league. It is like this team is on meth. They have 10 holes they are working on at the same time but they never finish filling any of them. We have more issues or lesser talent at more positions right now than we did at the beginning of FA. The bolded is spot on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted March 27, 2021 Share Posted March 27, 2021 8 minutes ago, big_palooka said: There it is.... Just hope baby! It always comes back to that. And you're right. Great teams are not built in FA. They are built in the draft. Which is why I am bearish on this team. They have failed miserably to add A level talent to their defense in the draft. Agreed. I still find it amazing that we've had as much cap space and draft assets as any team in the league since Gruden took over and the best player we've acquired is Darren Waller. Which was basically pure luck because Greg Olson noticed him during pre-game warm ups. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drfrey13 Posted March 27, 2021 Share Posted March 27, 2021 5 minutes ago, NYRaider said: The biggest holes we had to address in free agency were DT and FS. There were no top tier DT's on the free agent market. The top safeties in Maye, Williams, and Simmons all got franchise tagged. We have spent most of our money and what have we fixed? What players have we signed that played well last year and are an improvement on what we had? WE got YN (one of the best offseason signings in the league) who is an improvement and Drake (over paid as a backup but worth the money if Jacobs goes down) who is better than Booker. I am not saying we are a bottom 3 team or that we can not improve. I am saying if we do improve over last year it will have more to do with luck than skill unless there is some grand plan we are missing. DT is just a very frustrating position for me with this team. Without interior pressure we do not know how good our edge players are and we will not know how good our DBs are until we can get our edge players going. Everyone wants an improved defense but we have to get 2 big ugly monsters in the middle that can disrupt. Reed and Hankins would not have been the best but would have put us in the upper half of the league. That is step two in turning this defense around after getting rid of Guenther. We probably could have traded for Reed by swapping 6ths and with a new contract in place if we had not committed $5 million to the position already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronjon1990 Posted March 27, 2021 Share Posted March 27, 2021 13 minutes ago, big_palooka said: The team didn't have any KEY players to loose. Hudson was arguably the key player. Stallwart to the offense. The point is, they didn't make any KEY additions. Yannik is an A player, he'll have 8-10 sacks on a bad defense. The offense will be worse for shuffling their vet Oline. Wooooweeee. I'm hopeful, but that's what he was getting on defenses ranked 6th, 2nd, and 5th along with 24th after the wheels came off, 26th for his stint in injury plagued Minnesota, and 7th ranked Baltimore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted March 27, 2021 Share Posted March 27, 2021 Just now, drfrey13 said: DT is just a very frustrating position for me with this team. Without interior pressure we do not know how good our edge players are and we will not know how good our DBs are until we can get our edge players going. Everyone wants an improved defense but we have to get 2 big ugly monsters in the middle that can disrupt. Reed and Hankins would not have been the best but would have put us in the upper half of the league. That is step two in turning this defense around after getting rid of Guenther. We probably could have traded for Reed by swapping 6ths and with a new contract in place if we had not committed $5 million to the position already. There weren't any top tier DT's in free agency for us to sign. We possibly could've traded for Reed but if he wasn't happy with $13M APY, if we did trade him we would've had to have given him like $16M APY on an extension. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drfrey13 Posted March 27, 2021 Share Posted March 27, 2021 13 minutes ago, Frankie2Gunz said: While I totally agree there is something that is being neglected here and that is that that proven talents do not want to sign here to play under a demanding, ego maniac HC only to get their teeth kicked in every Sunday. The word has been out about this franchise for 20 years that and that word is that we are a graveyard for players and coaches careers. It's sad but it's a fact. Gruden has done nothing to turn winning or the culture around despite being paid like an elite coach, that is unless you consider 8 and 8 progress, which once is best case scenario with our current roster. We are a rudderless ship, captained by a HC who is drunk off of power and ego. I've seen this before and it never ends well. There is a reason that Feliciano was cheering for Jackson when he was moving on from this franchise and fans can spin that anyway they want but players talk and trust me those comments were not coming out of left field. NA who's career was in the dumps before he came here, had a heck of a season and we could not retain him. He was vocal about culture, or lack thereof, players quitting and not caring. Once again, things like this just do not come out of nowhere. Hudson, a consummate professional and best player YOY on this roster couldn't take it (by it I mean Gruden, losing, quitting, lack of talent, overall direction or plan) anymore and wanted out. He is in the twilight of his career and wants to have fun again and winning is fun, something this franchise hasn't done in two decades. We just signed a bum in Bill Sneed and he states that he is brought in to change the culture, which is pretty sad. Witten was brought in to do the same thing and that didn't work. Good luck Bill Sneed, you'll soon see that the culture change starts from the top down and we have an ego maniac leader who wouldn't know how to win in today's NFL if it slapped him in the face. I completely understand the Gruden issue. I did not like Gruden before we even played our first game. I am still angry about Pagano and have said from the beginning that Gruden's ego is always going to be his downfall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big_palooka Posted March 27, 2021 Share Posted March 27, 2021 1 minute ago, ronjon1990 said: Wooooweeee. I'm hopeful, but that's what he was getting on defenses ranked 6th, 2nd, and 5th along with 24th after the wheels came off, 26th for his stint in injury plagued Minnesota, and 7th ranked Baltimore. I think Yannick is solid pass rusher. 8 sacks in his role shouldn't be a problem. I'll buy high on his stock. Then again, I could see a situation where the secondary is still terrible and QBs don't have to hesitate with the ball limiting his ability to get home. A vet FS will help some, but I think Abram will be a problem unless they hide him in coverage. We keep talking about FS, I don't think Abram should be given a starting job personally. I'd sign FS and SS and relegate him to the bench early. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drfrey13 Posted March 27, 2021 Share Posted March 27, 2021 2 minutes ago, NYRaider said: There weren't any top tier DT's in free agency for us to sign. We possibly could've traded for Reed but if he wasn't happy with $13M APY, if we did trade him we would've had to have given him like $16M APY on an extension. I could be wrong but he was cut because Seattle has younger cheaper talent coming up behind him. He did not want more money but wanted an extended contract. That would be the beauty of trading for him. We would negotiate the contract before hand and if he wanted to much money I would at least say the team tried and made a good choice because he is not worth it. Right now they have already chased and locked themselves into bad deals. They are not the biggest contracts but if a good opportunity comes along we are less likely to take it because we already have sunk costs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted March 27, 2021 Share Posted March 27, 2021 2 minutes ago, big_palooka said: A vet FS will help some, but I think Abram will be a problem unless they hide him in coverage. We keep talking about FS, I don't think Abram should be given a starting job personally. I'd sign FS and SS and relegate him to the bench early. Doesn't Bradley's scheme use the SS in the box most of the time, which is why it's so vital to have a FS that can play single high? Funny enough when Abram was coming out of college one of the guys he was compared to the most was Keanu Neal and he just signed with Dallas who plans to move him to WLB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drfrey13 Posted March 27, 2021 Share Posted March 27, 2021 3 minutes ago, big_palooka said: I think Yannick is solid pass rusher. 8 sacks in his role shouldn't be a problem. I'll buy high on his stock. Then again, I could see a situation where the secondary is still terrible and QBs don't have to hesitate with the ball limiting his ability to get home. A vet FS will help some, but I think Abram will be a problem unless they hide him in coverage. We keep talking about FS, I don't think Abram should be given a starting job personally. I'd sign FS and SS and relegate him to the bench early. I would sign or draft 2 safeties and let the 4 of them battle it out. No reason why he should not be in an open competition other than Gruden not wanting to admit he was wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronjon1990 Posted March 27, 2021 Share Posted March 27, 2021 3 minutes ago, big_palooka said: I think Yannick is solid pass rusher. 8 sacks in his role shouldn't be a problem. I'll buy high on his stock. Then again, I could see a situation where the secondary is still terrible and QBs don't have to hesitate with the ball limiting his ability to get home. A vet FS will help some, but I think Abram will be a problem unless they hide him in coverage. We keep talking about FS, I don't think Abram should be given a starting job personally. I'd sign FS and SS and relegate him to the bench early. Someone knows how to improve a defense! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big_palooka Posted March 27, 2021 Share Posted March 27, 2021 2 minutes ago, ronjon1990 said: Someone knows how to improve a defense! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted March 27, 2021 Share Posted March 27, 2021 1 minute ago, drfrey13 said: I could be wrong but he was cut because Seattle has younger cheaper talent coming up behind him. He did not want more money but wanted an extended contract. That would be the beauty of trading for him. We would negotiate the contract before hand and if he wanted to much money I would at least say the team tried and made a good choice because he is not worth it. Right now they have already chased and locked themselves into bad deals. They are not the biggest contracts but if a good opportunity comes along we are less likely to take it because we already have sunk costs. Reed wasn't even on the trade block or a potential cap causality until a couple of days ago when they signed Hyder and decided to bring back Dunlap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted March 27, 2021 Share Posted March 27, 2021 6 minutes ago, drfrey13 said: I would sign or draft 2 safeties and let the 4 of them battle it out. No reason why he should not be in an open competition other than Gruden not wanting to admit he was wrong. I'd sign Tre Boston and draft Richie Grant. Let those 2 and Abram/Heath battle it out for the starting spots. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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