2021 Draft Thread - Day #2 Talk

[BayRaider]

 

[holyghost]

2 minutes ago, MrOaktown_56 said:

I think that's a fair take based on precedent, but I watched Koonce after tape don't lie broke him down and thought he was a solid devy pass rusher. Now is that value at 80? Maybe not. But honestly I liked what I saw from him so I'm not really down on this. I give it a C+/B-. 

Just precedent baby

[MrOaktown_56]

5 minutes ago, drfrey13 said:

Then how many WLBs do we need.  Littleton, Muse again, Morrow, and Deablo.  I think he plays the SS role up next to the line of scrimmage and Koonce like Ingram.

Any LB that can cover is a commodity in the NFL. It's why teams keep taking shots on them over and over.

[drfrey13]

Just now, oakdb36 said:

It's going to be Morrow/Kwit/Littleton as starters. Deablo (W) and Muse (M) to backup. Muse has put on some weight per reports.

So we are drafting backups in the 3rd.  I guess it is an improvement if we keep both through camp and we get more than a handful of snaps for our 3rd round picks.

[BayRaider]

17: Leatherwood: F

43: Moehrig: A

79: Koonce: C+

80: Deablo: B

I give our overall draft a C. 
 

Since I weigh 1st Round Grade Heavier. 

[CaliforniaKid7]

2 minutes ago, BayRaider said:

 

Both picks seemed pretty well received on ESPN/NFLN. Middlekauf is just fishing her IMO. Easy clicks to drag on the Raiders during draft time. These two things are common points and he makes up a tweet. 

[Humble_Beast]

Just now, drfrey13 said:

So we are drafting backups in the 3rd.  I guess it is an improvement if we keep both through camp and we get more than a handful of snaps for our 3rd round picks.

I think Deablo will be a starter by next year, our LB needed more talent. next best thing to getting JOK

[oakdb36]

Just now, drfrey13 said:

So we are drafting backups in the 3rd. 

Yes. What position did you expect to draft a starter at in the 3rd at this point?

[drfrey13]

2 minutes ago, MrOaktown_56 said:

Any LB that can cover is a commodity in the NFL. It's why teams keep taking shots on them over and over.

Can we draft LBs that can cover rather than reaching for S's we want to turn into LBs.    Wonder why we can not develop anyone.  We have to change everyone's positions.  Looks like it is not just Tom Cable.

[BayRaider]

1 minute ago, CaliforniaKid7 said:

Both picks seemed pretty well received on ESPN/NFLN. Middlekauf is just fishing her IMO. Easy clicks to drag on the Raiders during draft time. These two things are common points and he makes up a tweet. 

Yeah, I saw nothing wrong with our third round picks. But Gruden going totally rouge is actually very believable and the most Gruden thing ever lol. 

[Jeremy408]

22 minutes ago, Humble_Beast said:

I would think a fast LB similar to JOK

Oh so you're telling me that there's more than one of those in this draft? lol

[holyghost]

1 minute ago, drfrey13 said:

So we are drafting backups in the 3rd.  I guess it is an improvement if we keep both through camp and we get more than a handful of snaps for our 3rd round picks.

Ding. Ding. Ding. This is the problem. You hopefully still try to get starters here. Like, I don't know, Dylan Moses and Quinn Minerz? We tossed a pro bowl center for Koonce, a DE who has a high chance of washing from the league within 3 years, after we signed a premium edge rusher in free agency. Consistently bad drafting and bad value. Deablo makes the team and takes whose job? Muse, who we just spent too high a pick on, or Abram, who we just spent too high a pick on? See the brutal cycle? Redrafting things we just drafted for.... SMH

[oakdb36]

1 minute ago, drfrey13 said:

Can we draft LBs that can cover rather than reaching for S's we want to turn into LBs.    Wonder why we can not develop anyone.  We have to change everyone's positions.  Looks like it is not just Tom Cable.

Bradley has done it regularly.

[Humble_Beast]

Just now, Jeremy408 said:

Oh so you're telling me that there's more than one of those in this draft? lol

you wanted Grant and you clowning me lol 

[MrOaktown_56]

2 minutes ago, drfrey13 said:

Can we draft LBs that can cover rather than reaching for S's we want to turn into LBs.    Wonder why we can not develop anyone.  We have to change everyone's positions.  Looks like it is not just Tom Cable.

This guy is already LB size, covering like a safety. This is not a bad pick from what I've seen from Deablo. He's got instincts and toughness too. I was just digging into him before the draft. I'll do a deep dive on him this week.