Norm Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 I'm so confused as to what is to be upset about here 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squire12 Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 1 minute ago, R T said: Oh goody, the Grand Poobah of the mental midgets wants to throw in his two cents. classy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R T Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 Just now, squire12 said: classy You mean like your comment before my comment? If you are going to throw rocks people might throw rocks back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craig Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 17 hours ago, R T said: ... Watson has age and drop passes working against him. ... I have no idea whether Watson scores well scouting-wise. Drops, routes, sink-his-hips, stop-and-go quickness, etc., I have no idea. For all I know he might be kinda like MVS and EQ, guys with variably good speed but lacking in cutting ability. But I'd be a little hesitant to factor in age. When an SEC or Ohio State guy isn't ready to come out at age 21, that's a red or yellow flag. But those guys all had full Covid seasons and plenty of opportunities to both develop and to flash. If a guy isn't 2nd-round worthy after his age-21 season, he's had plenty of opportunity to have developed and to have shown his worthiness. But the Missouri Valley Conference had no Covid-Fall season, and played a single game in the spring. (A game in which Trey Lance had as many carries as completions.). So Watson had very little opportunity to either develop or to manifest his worthiness. I don't know the player at all. Whether he's quick, coordinated, instinctive, a contested-catch winner, I have no idea. I do know that NDSU has really good coaching, and that being a serious blocking cog in the running machine, rather than a diva who's always thought he was too great to bother with blocking, that will not be a Watson issue. I'm not advocating for him, just thinking that I wouldn't really dock his evaluation for being 22. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Penske Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R T Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 4 minutes ago, craig said: I have no idea whether Watson scores well scouting-wise. Drops, routes, sink-his-hips, stop-and-go quickness, etc., I have no idea. For all I know he might be kinda like MVS and EQ, guys with variably good speed but lacking in cutting ability. But I'd be a little hesitant to factor in age. When an SEC or Ohio State guy isn't ready to come out at age 21, that's a red or yellow flag. But those guys all had full Covid seasons and plenty of opportunities to both develop and to flash. If a guy isn't 2nd-round worthy after his age-21 season, he's had plenty of opportunity to have developed and to have shown his worthiness. But the Missouri Valley Conference had no Covid-Fall season, and played a single game in the spring. (A game in which Trey Lance had as many carries as completions.). So Watson had very little opportunity to either develop or to manifest his worthiness. I don't know the player at all. Whether he's quick, coordinated, instinctive, a contested-catch winner, I have no idea. I do know that NDSU has really good coaching, and that being a serious blocking cog in the running machine, rather than a diva who's always thought he was too great to bother with blocking, that will not be a Watson issue. I'm not advocating for him, just thinking that I wouldn't really dock his evaluation for being 22. He will be 23 on May 12th. That is not the death nail for him by any means, but when they are weighing the +/- of each WR that is not a plus compared to a WR that is still 20 (London) or 21. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green19 Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 5 minutes ago, Arthur Penske said: Again… I wonder if they would given the injury. It makes sense from a team building stand point(if you believe Williams is the best in this draft). But at what point does the Rodgers window affect this? Or does it at all? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatJerkDave Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 1 hour ago, R T said: Found this to be an interesting article. NFL draft -- Which teams have gotten the best value since 2012? We rank all 32 (espn.com) I kind of get it, but I have a major problem with it as well. I like looking at PFR's career value number, on individual players. I just don't think it is a great way to measure a team's success. No doubt the Seattle 2012 class was great. But take that away, and the value for Seattle is negative on the other seasons measured. Do they consistently pull gems? Or did they get a franchise QB in the third round? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatJerkDave Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 1 hour ago, incognito_man said: Or maybe there's like 6 true #1 WRs Only the WRs drafted by the Packers, all the others will be teh sux. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NFLGURU Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 7 minutes ago, Arthur Penske said: Agree 100%. If they move up for a WR, I think he's the guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Arthur Penske Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 6 minutes ago, Green19 said: Again… I wonder if they would given the injury. It makes sense from a team building stand point(if you believe Williams is the best in this draft). But at what point does the Rodgers window affect this? Or does it at all? 4 minutes ago, NFLGURU said: Agree 100%. If they move up for a WR, I think he's the guy. I would like him but I wasn’t really posting for the guys opinion of who they are trading up for. More so the Fowler report that GB may trade up. it’s likely noise as GB is always examining trade up/back but still interesting to see 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leader Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 Kyle Fellows - The (realistic) dream @ 22 Olave Dax Hill Karlaftis The Dream @ 28 Pickens Mafe Cine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
15412 Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 3 minutes ago, Leader said: Kyle Fellows - The (realistic) dream @ 22 Olave Dax Hill Karlaftis The Dream @ 28 Pickens Mafe Cine Of those Karlaftis and then Pickens. If Karlaftis not there Olave then Mafe. Of those. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leader Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 2 minutes ago, 15412 said: Of those Karlaftis and then Pickens. If Karlaftis not there Olave then Mafe. Of those. I think Olave will be gone by 22.....and honestly, I'd be just fine with K and Pickens. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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