RuskieTitan Posted May 27, 2021 Share Posted May 27, 2021 7 minutes ago, Scoundrel said: I got fleeced two seasons ago already when I traded like pick 6 for three tags or something according to pwny at the time I believe Ooof. Enjoy your round of karma now lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoundrel Posted May 27, 2021 Share Posted May 27, 2021 Just now, RuskieTitan said: Ooof. Enjoy your round of karma now lol I balanced it out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tk3 Posted May 27, 2021 Share Posted May 27, 2021 Just now, EaglesPeteC said: I love how every deal is always the worst deal ever in this league. He got a deal he liked and took it vs theoretical other deals that he could have gotten if they were indeed ever offered. To me having a top 5 RB in this league can get you pretty far. Look at the QB/RB combos in the playoffs Lamar/Saquon Mahomes/Gordon Goff/Kamara Dak/Zeke Kyler/Aaron Jones Josh Allen/Sanders Tannehill/McCaffrey Stafford/Henry Save for Mahomes who is the outlier, the teams with the elite RB's and good enough QB's were in the playoffs and the teams that had the elite QB's were watching. So unless Trevor is Mahomes, chances are RMIB got significantly better in this deal. An elite RB is worth at least a 1st, if not 2. I paid 2 1sts for McCaffrey and I would do that deal again in a heartbeat. I agree from a pure value standpoint of Lawrence vs "the return", I agree that "the return" was good. In that sense I think its a win/win But from an opportunity cost standpoint, I have to assume he left something on the table from pwny. He could have received a bigger return that involves a (in my personal opinion) better QB plus more assets. In that sense, I think its a bad deal for RMIB All of that being said, I haven't seen the PMs, and frankly I don't want this to turn into an "expose PMs" situation, so idk if RMIB effed up, or if pwny is exaggerating the situation and being dramatic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuskieTitan Posted May 27, 2021 Share Posted May 27, 2021 2 minutes ago, EaglesPeteC said: Save for Mahomes who is the outlier, the teams with the elite RB's and good enough QB's were in the playoffs and the teams that had the elite QB's were watching. So unless Trevor is Mahomes, chances are RMIB got significantly better in this deal. An elite RB is worth at least a 1st, if not 2. I paid 2 1sts for McCaffrey and I would do that deal again in a heartbeat. I'd venture to guess that a lot of folks in this league and football fandom overall probably think Trevor Lawrence will end up being one of the elite QBs over the next decade, so that would put him in that realm with Mahomes, yes. I don't disagree that elite RB is worth more than a single first, I had an offer for JC involving 3 firsts and I turned it down at the time - granted, values were viewed differently back then, but I think the point most folks have with this deal is that it's not a regular #1.1 pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pwny Posted May 27, 2021 Share Posted May 27, 2021 4 minutes ago, EaglesPeteC said: I love how every deal is always the worst deal ever in this league. He got a deal he liked and took it vs theoretical other deals that he could have gotten if they were indeed ever offered. *theoretical deals that he didn’t bother to even negotiate on I told three different people that I was willing to offer as far as 1.3, 1.6, 1.11, 2.6, S23 1st, S23 2nd, S24 1st, S24 2nd, S25 1st, S25 2nd, 19 tags, Joe Mixon, George Kittle, Tyler Boyd and any other players [not Burrow] that he wanted. We had a three way trade with Ravens worked on and Ravens had already told him he could have Dalvin Cook if he wanted. If it became really necessary, more picks coming from the three way trade could have ended up his way as well, though that’s less concrete. Counselor literally told RMIB he was dropping out of trade negotiations to focus on getting a different pick because he realized how absurdly behind he was on any chance of winning a bidding war. RMIB countered by giving him a soft offer to make the deal happen, because he didn’t want to negotiate with me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tk3 Posted May 27, 2021 Share Posted May 27, 2021 3 minutes ago, pwny said: *theoretical deals that he didn’t bother to even negotiate on I told three different people that I was willing to offer as far as 1.3, 1.6, 1.11, 2.6, S23 1st, S23 2nd, S24 1st, S24 2nd, S25 1st, S25 2nd, 19 tags, Joe Mixon, George Kittle, Tyler Boyd and any other players [not Burrow] that he wanted. We had a three way trade with Ravens worked on and Ravens had already told him he could have Dalvin Cook if he wanted. If it became really necessary, more picks coming from the three way trade could have ended up his way as well, though that’s less concrete. Counselor literally told RMIB he was dropping out of trade negotiations to focus on getting a different pick because he realized how absurdly behind he was on any chance of winning a bidding war. RMIB countered by giving him a soft offer to make the deal happen, because he didn’t want to negotiate with me. Was RMIB one of those three people? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scalamania Posted May 27, 2021 Share Posted May 27, 2021 (edited) 4 minutes ago, pwny said: I told three different people that I was willing to offer as far as 1.3, 1.6, 1.11, 2.6, S23 1st, S23 2nd, S24 1st, S24 2nd, S25 1st, S25 2nd, 19 tags, Joe Mixon, George Kittle, Tyler Boyd and any other players [not Burrow] that he wanted. We had a three way trade with Ravens worked on and Ravens had already told him he could have Dalvin Cook if he wanted. If it became really necessary, more picks coming from the three way trade could have ended up his way as well, though that’s less concrete. Well...that may have been the biggest deal of all time in NSFL. Edited May 27, 2021 by Scalamania Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pwny Posted May 27, 2021 Share Posted May 27, 2021 1 minute ago, Tk3 said: Was RMIB one of those three people? If he had bothered to respond even once after receiving my first offer, maybe he would have been! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EaglesPeteC Posted May 27, 2021 Share Posted May 27, 2021 @TheKillerNacho please use my last 6 tags on CB's Chris Harris Jr and Denzel Ward My 4th for a tag. Who wants it? Also, somebody trade for 11 TD WR DJ Moore. He will likely go in the 1st, so if you want to get him on your roster for cheaper than that, hit me up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuskieTitan Posted May 27, 2021 Share Posted May 27, 2021 Just now, EaglesPeteC said: Also, somebody trade for 11 TD WR DJ Moore. He will likely go in the 1st, so if you want to get him on your roster for cheaper than that, hit me up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EaglesPeteC Posted May 27, 2021 Share Posted May 27, 2021 2 minutes ago, RuskieTitan said: I mean he should go in the first, he'll be on my short list for my 1st if a few other targets are gone by that point. Of course it is a rookie draft, so people may go nuts for rookies round 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuskieTitan Posted May 27, 2021 Share Posted May 27, 2021 Just now, EaglesPeteC said: I mean he should go in the first, he'll be on my short list for my 1st if a few other targets are gone by that point. Just because you would be willing to reach and make a bad value pick doesn't mean other owners should base the value of Moore on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pwny Posted May 27, 2021 Share Posted May 27, 2021 20 minutes ago, pwny said: 21 minutes ago, Tk3 said: Was RMIB one of those three people? If he had bothered to respond even once after receiving my first offer, maybe he would have been! To be clear, trade negotiations went like this. I deleted my messages, so I’m paraphrasing, but this is the exact number of messages that happened me: hey, I’m considering coming back, but only if I can get Trevor. What do you want? RMIB: this is my current top offer [insert offer from Ravens] me: Ravens and I worked out a three way trade where you get the same exact return [insert offer], what do you think? RMIB: [leaves the message on read for several hours, checking back a few times] me: hey, I need to know what we’re doing so that I can stop stringing nacho along. Are we close? RMIB: I’m trading the pick to counselor. If you’re really that desperate to make a trade, you can make it with him. It’s the lack of attempt to negotiate in good faith for me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scalamania Posted May 27, 2021 Share Posted May 27, 2021 Just now, RuskieTitan said: Just because you would be willing to reach and make a bad value pick doesn't mean other owners should base the value of Moore on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EaglesPeteC Posted May 27, 2021 Share Posted May 27, 2021 Just now, RuskieTitan said: Just because you would be willing to reach and make a bad value pick doesn't mean other owners should base the value of Moore on that. Ok, Dr. Goofy...... WR's of that age, upside and production level go in the first in these drafts all of the time, but that doesn't fit your narrative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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