jrry32 Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 Just now, Scoundrel said: Then you’re going to be drafting a few busts Doesn't matter what thresholds you use. You're going to draft busts. I'd rather not let arbitrary thresholds prevent me from drafting gifted players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoundrel Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 2 minutes ago, jrry32 said: Doesn't matter what thresholds you use. You're going to draft busts. I'd rather not let arbitrary thresholds prevent me from drafting gifted players. Karlaftis isn’t as powerful as he is being made out to be looks disinterested against the run. He’s not as good as Jermaine. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrry32 Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 23 minutes ago, Scoundrel said: Karlaftis isn’t as powerful as he is being made out to be looks disinterested against the run. He’s not as good as Jermaine. Karlaftis is exactly as powerful as he's made out to be. And he does not look remotely disinterested against the run. He can improve as a run defender. Those improvements will come as he better understands blocking schemes and is able to find the ball quicker. But he's not remotely a lazy run defender. If anything, teams were able to exploit his aggressiveness at times. Johnson is a better run defender at this stage. Karlaftis is a better pass rusher. But Karlaftis is a lot younger and is newer to the game. I'm taking him if forced to make the choice. I think he has a higher ceiling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 58 minutes ago, Scoundrel said: Karlaftis isn’t as powerful as he is being made out to be looks disinterested against the run. He’s not as good as Jermaine. He’s also not very quick on film. When I was watching his tape, the number of times guys got past him just running outside of him on the edge, and he couldn’t get there in time was concerning. I have him down in like Edge 6 or 7 territory myself. He’s good, just not great imo. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiefer Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 Cameron Thomas vs Boye Mafe vs Arnold Ebiketie vs David Ojabo vs George Karlaftis If all these guys are available late first and you need a starting EDGE who do you take? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrry32 Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 1 hour ago, Daniel said: He’s also not very quick on film. When I was watching his tape, the number of times guys got past him just running outside of him on the edge, and he couldn’t get there in time was concerning. I have him down in like Edge 6 or 7 territory myself. He’s good, just not great imo. His lateral agility isn't great, but part of it is that he still needs a lot of mental growth as a run stopper. It's the inexperience that causes him to be a step slow understanding where the play is going and where the ball is. Regardless, watch the Iowa game and then tell me he's the sixth or seventh best EDGE in this class. There aren't many games quite like that one where the player's dominance and the stat sheet are so far apart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragnarok Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 41 minutes ago, Chiefer said: Cameron Thomas vs Boye Mafe vs Arnold Ebiketie vs David Ojabo vs George Karlaftis If all these guys are available late first and you need a starting EDGE who do you take? Karlaftis Mafe Ebiketie Thomas Ojabo in order. Ojabo would have 2nd before his injury. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 1 hour ago, Chiefer said: Cameron Thomas vs Boye Mafe vs Arnold Ebiketie vs David Ojabo vs George Karlaftis If all these guys are available late first and you need a starting EDGE who do you take? Ebokeite, Karloftis, Mafe, Ojabo here. Haven't watched film on Thomas. 54 minutes ago, jrry32 said: His lateral agility isn't great, but part of it is that he still needs a lot of mental growth as a run stopper. It's the inexperience that causes him to be a step slow understanding where the play is going and where the ball is. Regardless, watch the Iowa game and then tell me he's the sixth or seventh best EDGE in this class. There aren't many games quite like that one where the player's dominance and the stat sheet are so far apart. Meh, I watched what I'm gonna watch on him. I always make sure to watch at least one full game from any prospect I possibly can, but that's all I really have time for. Maybe he's better than I give him credit for, but I've been wrong before. I'll be wrong again. I still have to watch tape on all these dang safeties. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSURacerDT55 Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 8 hours ago, Chiefer said: Cameron Thomas vs Boye Mafe vs Arnold Ebiketie vs David Ojabo vs George Karlaftis If all these guys are available late first and you need a starting EDGE who do you take? Ojabo for long term,Mafe, Ebiketie, Karlaftis, Thomas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSURacerDT55 Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 9 hours ago, Daniel said: He’s also not very quick on film. When I was watching his tape, the number of times guys got past him just running outside of him on the edge, and he couldn’t get there in time was concerning. I have him down in like Edge 6 or 7 territory myself. He’s good, just not great imo. I'm sorry, my gut tells me he is a one trick pony that will get exposed at the next level Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrry32 Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 51 minutes ago, MSURacerDT55 said: I'm sorry, my gut tells me he is a one trick pony that will get exposed at the next level Power, heavy hands, outstanding get-off, and a varied pass rush approach with an impressive set of moves for such a young player. He's definitely not a one-trick pony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSURacerDT55 Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 3 minutes ago, jrry32 said: Power, heavy hands, outstanding get-off, and a varied pass rush approach with an impressive set of moves for such a young player. He's definitely not a one-trick pony. We'll see Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 March 29th in a big day, Purdue's pro day and I want to see Karlaftis run a 40. George Karlaftis 6-4 266 21 reps at 225 38" vertical 121 Broad jump 4.36 short shuttle NA 40 yard dash Boye Mafe 6-4 257 21 reps at 225 41.5" vertical 125 Broad jump 4.20 short shuttle 4.53 40 yard dash Mafe is just as strong, has a better vertical, better broad jump and better short shuttle and my guess is a much better 40 time. Also was a better player this past year that got more pressure on the QB and sacks, also had a great Senior bowl against top competition. I still question his ability in a 3/4 when he is more a 4/3 DE where Mafe could do both I feel especially as a 3/4 OLB because of his ability to bend the corner. George I thought disappointed this past year and did not live up to his ability and seemed a little different off that injury, and Travon Walker/Jermaine Johnson jumped him as prospect and so did Boye arguably especially after his workouts and his Senior bowl week play. On paper though Mafe is the better athlete and you can see it in the games as well. That 40 for Karlaftis though, that will be interesting but that is assuming he even runs it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoundrel Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 I like the upside more of Karlaftis than Mayfe. Jermaine Johnson is more refined than both of them at 23 so I am okay with his age. Mafe has some rawness still and turns 24 late November. Karlaftis turns 21 in two weeks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
y*so*blu Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 12 hours ago, Chiefer said: Cameron Thomas vs Boye Mafe vs Arnold Ebiketie vs David Ojabo vs George Karlaftis If all these guys are available late first and you need a starting EDGE who do you take? Ebiketie, Karlaftis, Mafe, Thomas, Ojabo. In that order. Ebiketie is scary. Possibly my second favorite edge after Jermaine Johnson. Karlaftis and Mafe are solid but not spectacular in my eyes. Thomas played for SDSU; I like him but there's no telling how he handles the huge jump in competition. Ojabo is hurt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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