battle2heaven Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 10 minutes ago, swede700 said: It seems like I'm the only one who actually believes in Cam. 🤣 Hell, my belief in Kendricks paid off, as it seemed a lot of people here a couple of years in were writing him off too. 😜 what, i believe in Cam, did you see my responses!?!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swede700 Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 5 minutes ago, battle2heaven said: what, i believe in Cam, did you see my responses!?!? I must have missed it. 😉 Good to have you on board...it just seems like everyone thinks he's going to be a backup CB at best. I believe he's going to be a solid starting CB. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CriminalMind Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 Vegas/Ceasars has Vikings at 8.5 wins. Thats where I have them. 9 wins, middle pack, picking 16-19 with no shot at one of the top QBs in the 2023 draft (too far to climb up). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CriminalMind Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 5 hours ago, battle2heaven said: I don't understand this mindset. Why, though? Yes, he had some outlier plays at unfortunate times that have stuck out, but.. 2020 PFF grade 70.9 2021 PFF grade 73.8 He's only 23 years old. I think we are being too hard on him. He seems like a perfectly acceptable CB2 to me. I agree, if we’re trusting anyone as boundary CB it would be Cam. Draft position means less and less every year in the league. It’s practically a non factor to me in determining playing status/starting ability Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wcblack34 Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 3 minutes ago, CriminalMind said: I agree, if we’re trusting anyone as boundary CB it would be Cam. Draft position means less and less every year in the league. It’s practically a non factor to me in determining playing status/starting ability So you can revisit your prior post about the Vikings being too low to get a QB next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 4 hours ago, CriminalMind said: I agree, if we’re trusting anyone as boundary CB it would be Cam. Draft position means less and less every year in the league. It’s practically a non factor to me in determining playing status/starting ability Cam Dantzler? Depending on who they draft, that dude is going to have to compete like hell to be the starter opposite Peterson. Sure Cam might have ok "grades" but one has to realize he has only started 17 out of 25 games total and last year was only 7 out of 14 games played, mind you they played 17 games last year regular season and starting only 7 and having Breeland start over you says a lot about how lacking he was at CB. There is no promise the dude is a legit starting corner yet till he shows it, he does not react well to the football always, seems soft in tackling more often than not and not sure he has the ball awareness or speed downfield to make plays consistently. If they draft a rookie 1st or 2nd round at CB he could no question start over Cam unless Cam is greatly improved over last year. Sure would be great if Cam Dantzler is a legit starter in the league but no way he has shown that yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CriminalMind Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 15 hours ago, wcblack34 said: So you can revisit your prior post about the Vikings being too low to get a QB next year. No, i think we will be drafting in a position in 2023 where we cannot effectively get one of the top QBs. It would just be too costly to move up compared to assets that other teams would have (with higher 2023 picks). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swede700 Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 51 minutes ago, CriminalMind said: No, i think we will be drafting in a position in 2023 where we cannot effectively get one of the top QBs. It would just be too costly to move up compared to assets that other teams would have (with higher 2023 picks). You can always effectively get one of the top QBs if you're willing to give up what it takes. The Chiefs gave up 2 1sts and a 3rd to move up 17 slots for Mahomes. The Texans gave up 2 1sts to move up 15 spots to get Watson and the biggest deal of them all was the Rams giving up 2 1sts, 2 2nds and 2 3rd, to move from #15 to #1 to get Goff (of course that one ended up not working out at all). It also depends upon how many QBs will be available and how many teams will need them or want to get them...after this draft that may get a little clearer...and we'll have to see which "bridge" QBs may be able to perform better than expected and their team gives them a longer leash. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twslhs20 Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 17 hours ago, CriminalMind said: Vegas/Ceasars has Vikings at 8.5 wins. Thats where I have them. 9 wins, middle pack, picking 16-19 with no shot at one of the top QBs in the 2023 draft (too far to climb up). Vegas usually isn't wrong. It makes sense based on what we've done 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CriminalMind Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, swede700 said: You can always effectively get one of the top QBs if you're willing to give up what it takes. The Chiefs gave up 2 1sts and a 3rd to move up 17 slots for Mahomes. The Texans gave up 2 1sts to move up 15 spots to get Watson and the biggest deal of them all was the Rams giving up 2 1sts, 2 2nds and 2 3rd, to move from #15 to #1 to get Goff (of course that one ended up not working out at all). It also depends upon how many QBs will be available and how many teams will need them or want to get them...after this draft that may get a little clearer...and we'll have to see which "bridge" QBs may be able to perform better than expected and their team gives them a longer leash. Sure i agree. it all depends on how teams view the QBs. What if the highly ranked QBs are rated as “top 5 pick draftable”. If Vikings are sitting 17-19, we might be looking at 3 1st rounders to move into #4/#5 slot to get that QB. Not sure if that is something they’d want to give up. Edited April 1, 2022 by CriminalMind Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingsrule Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, CriminalMind said: Sure i agree. it all depends on how teams view the QBs. What if the highly ranked QBs are rated as “top 5 pick draftable”. If Vikings are sitting 17-19, we might be looking at 3 1st rounders to move into #4/#5 slot to get that QB. Not sure if that is something they’d want to give up. For a Josh Allen or Justin Herbert there shouldn’t be a question. You trade those picks. Getting the evaluation correct and developing the player are a different story. it’s hard to sit still and let a player fall into your lap unless you’re truly a lousy team. Edited April 1, 2022 by vikingsrule 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sad People Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 3 hours ago, CriminalMind said: No, i think we will be drafting in a position in 2023 where we cannot effectively get one of the top QBs. It would just be too costly to move up compared to assets that other teams would have (with higher 2023 picks). Call it the Kirk Cousins effect 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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swede700 Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 19 minutes ago, SemperFeist said: I don't know exactly when he started college then, so he might have been a freshman when Thielen was a senior. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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