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Just maybe Josh left behind the same boring pass offense. Maybe Brady was ... never mind.

Matty P is just using Josh's offense because he never had one! You have Thornton you need motion to maximize his skill. Boring, waste of his talent.  

One of the best WR in the NFL becomes useless with Josh offense.  Relate that to Pats WR. Och!!!

" It’s because the Saints took advantage of Adams’ extremely basic route tree and shut him down with impressive single press coverage from rookie cornerback Alontae Taylor. "

https://ftw.usatoday.com/2022/10/las-vegas-raiders-josh-mcdaniels-derek-carr?fbclid=IwAR2Corm-BvPltcexnyVdes4mUQrL34roF_8ev87TLYLp1CUSE2-5B52lquY

 

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On 10/31/2022 at 5:25 PM, m haynes said:

Just maybe Josh left behind the same boring pass offense. Maybe Brady was ... never mind.

Matty P is just using Josh's offense because he never had one! You have Thornton you need motion to maximize his skill. Boring, waste of his talent.  

One of the best WR in the NFL becomes useless with Josh offense.  Relate that to Pats WR. Och!!!

" It’s because the Saints took advantage of Adams’ extremely basic route tree and shut him down with impressive single press coverage from rookie cornerback Alontae Taylor. "

https://ftw.usatoday.com/2022/10/las-vegas-raiders-josh-mcdaniels-derek-carr?fbclid=IwAR2Corm-BvPltcexnyVdes4mUQrL34roF_8ev87TLYLp1CUSE2-5B52lquY

 

He's so used to have mediocre options out wide, and has crafted his skills in developing mis-matches over the middle that it's like a non-driver having a ferrari in his front yard?...

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We have the third best roster in the division and the jets is interesting because they have better skill position talent. 
 

The future for this team is going to be interesting to say the least 

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54 minutes ago, CP3MVP said:

they have better skill position talent. 

Which is unfortunate in today's NFL  "flag football game ".

Speed kills and you need it on both side of the ball and that's the major problem with the Pats.

They made moves (Thornton)  to that effect however.  They need OC for today's game and I don't see that with the current coaches.

MOF, I mentioned the problems with Josh in Vagus, his offense is out dated. What I have read is he has no clue how to use his outside talent. 

PS  It also help when you are picking in the top 10 every year !!!!!! Jets, Fins and Bills.

 

 

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I think it's debatable that the Patriots have the worse talent in the division. 

 

The Jets actually have a really great situation... they just have no QB.. which of course ruins everything. I think Salah knows what he is doing, so they have come a long way. The defense is pretty dang good.. and Hall was an amazing RB from day 1. You put an average QB on that team that will protect the ball and they make the playoffs imo. They could still use help on the OL, but other than that their skill position players are legit. 

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On 11/2/2022 at 10:52 PM, Crimmage said:

I think it's debatable that the Patriots have the worse talent in the division. 

 

The Jets actually have a really great situation... they just have no QB.. which of course ruins everything. I think Salah knows what he is doing, so they have come a long way. The defense is pretty dang good.. and Hall was an amazing RB from day 1. You put an average QB on that team that will protect the ball and they make the playoffs imo. They could still use help on the OL, but other than that their skill position players are legit. 

Yeah I think so too

The point was just made that Jets have better offensive weapons. This is true. They also beat us at the LOS actually. Rhamondre had the lowest average yardage before contact of the week, he’s just so good at shaking people. 
 

on defense, we don’t have a Gardner, we have the coaching. 

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Bill Belichick admits Patriots are tipping plays, says Colts and Jets defenses knew what was coming

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/bill-belichick-admits-patriots-are-tipping-plays-says-colts-and-jets-defenses-knew-what-was-coming/

 

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New England Patriots head coach Bill Belichick is known for playing chess while others are playing checkers. He is often one step ahead of the opposing players and coaches, and it is rare that any one team or player beats him at his own game.

His reputation and history is what makes what happened in the Patriots' win over the Indianapolis Colts last week so rare. As many pointed out, Belichick included, Indy's defense knew New England's plays ahead of time.

During his press conference, Belichick admitted that the Colts defense knew what was coming before the ball was even snapped. 

When asked about Colts linebacker Shaquille Leonard calling out plays before the snap, the coach who typically does not give too much away was candid about the issue.


"We definitely want to prevent that," Belichick said, via NBC Sports. "I thought that there were two or three plays for sure that Leonard really got a big jump on and stopped us basically on those plays."


It was not just the Colts predicting the Patriots offensive future. New York Jets linebacker C.J. Mosley was also calling out plays before the snap in Week 8.

"Mosley got a couple of those a couple of weeks ago in the Jets game -- it almost looked like he heard the play in the huddle, he was on it so fast," Belichick said. "Leonard had a couple like that, too. So, whether it was something we were giving away or something that he anticipated based on whatever the keys were that he might have picked up, we certainly want to try to prevent that."


Multiple players on the Patriots echoed these thoughts, according to MassLive's Mark Daniels.

The defense having a head start on what quarterback Mac Jones and company were doing did not ruin the Patriots' chances to pull out a win, but it did slow the offense down.

New England's defense and special teams is mostly responsible for the 26-3 victory over the Colts, with a pick-six, nine sacks and a blocked punt that set up an easy offensive touchdown. The Patriots defense stepped up in a big way, hiding any offenses struggles, but that is not a long-term recipe for success.


Belichick knows his offense is not putting up the best numbers and with defenses seemingly having New England's number, it's something that needs fixed. 

"Obviously if a player or team is stopping one thing, if you have something complementary to go to, you can offset that," Belichick said. "We've certainly had that situation come up too, where we were able to take advantage of, whether it was a player thinking he knew what the play was or the defense trying to defend a certain play but not another play. So, you have to strike that balance."

The Patriots are 5-4 and in last place in a competitive division. Jones has struggled this season with consistency and decision making and the offense has had question marks surrounding it since the offseason, when long-time coordinator Josh McDaniels left. 


The Patriots are 26th in yards per game, averaging only 3.3 yards per offensive play against the Colts and 3.8 yards per play against the Jets. The Patriots offense is tied for the most interceptions thrown (10) and is in the lower half of the league in offensive touchdowns (9).

It is clear to Belichick there is a lot of work to do as the Patriots head into their bye week.

 

 

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3 hours ago, biggie. said:

Criticize Josh Allen and back up why you think he is overrated with facts and ststistics: locked thread

Criticize Mac: Multipage thread

I feel like Josh Allen's problems this season break down to 2 things: 

1) He doesn't have Daboll anymore who is a great coach 

2) He's heard the world tell him that he can make all the throws so many times he believes it to the point where no throw is a bad throw. He feels he can force things into incredibly tight windows... sometimes it looks spectacular.. sometimes it looks like Patrick Peterson 

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