QB Talk Once Again.... sigh

[Bobby816]

1 minute ago, Packerraymond said:

Do teams typically accept trades they don't want? So if we accept the trade before the draft, we got the cumulative value we wanted, correct?

2023 2nd and a 2024 1st is nice value for him. 

If it drags out into summer and we get less than that, it's safe to assume we didn't get the value we wanted. 

I don’t expect east conditions for it to go a 1st unless we get something in 2025. And that’s what the report is if you read it. That’s if you believe the report. I know our FO hasn’t leaked anything thus far. So this leak is either random from us, from GB or just a reporter guessing. So we can’t take the source as 100% legit right now either. 

[Packerraymond]

Just now, Bobby816 said:

I don’t expect east conditions for it to go a 1st unless we get something in 2025. And that’s what the report is if you read it. That’s if you believe the report. I know our FO hasn’t leaked anything thus far. So this leak is either random from us, from GB or just a reporter guessing. So we can’t take the source as 100% legit right now either. 

Your FO has leaked plenty. The report we wanted 2 first rounders or a Stafford surely came from your FO. 

[Scoremore]

Don't think I believe the reports coming out.  A conditional first in 2024?  Seems kind of convoluted with trying to incorporate a claw back.  Need to keep this thing simple.  Think slightly less than 2 2's this year is appropriate.  Those 2's are relatively high picks.  So take em do a pick swap in the 1st (around a 4th value) Packers kick the Jets back a 3rd.  #78 pretty decent pick also.  Allows the Jets to retain a top 15 pick in the first and still have a pick on day 2.  

Win win for both sides pretty damn fair IMO.  Gute and Douglas just need to get this thing done already.  As far as other teams not entering the fray well it's a lot like the Lamar situtation.  This deal is all but done so why waste time trying to pry Rodgers away.  He said he wants to be a Jet.  Any team entering the negotiations know that the Jets are going to do what it takes to make sure this trade happens.  

Personally I don't want anything to do with conditional picks even if we take a little less.  Don't feel like being  on Rodgers watch again next year.  Only way he possibly retires is if the Jets win it all.  Otherwise he'll want at least one more shot at a ring.  He's stated repeatedly he'll continue to play as long as it's at a high level.  Once he physically can't do it anymore he'll retire.  Anywhere from 2-4 years.  

[Bobby816]

3 minutes ago, Scoremore said:

Don't think I believe the reports coming out.  A conditional first in 2024?  Seems kind of convoluted with trying to incorporate a claw back.  Need to keep this thing simple.  Think slightly less than 2 2's this year is appropriate.  Those 2's are relatively high picks.  So take em do a pick swap in the 1st (around a 4th value) Packers kick the Jets back a 3rd.  #78 pretty decent pick also.  Allows the Jets to retain a top 15 pick in the first and still have a pick on day 2.  

Win win for both sides pretty damn fair IMO.  Gute and Douglas just need to get this thing done already.  As far as other teams not entering the fray well it's a lot like the Lamar situtation.  This deal is all but done so why waste time trying to pry Rodgers away.  He said he wants to be a Jet.  Any team entering the negotiations know that the Jets are going to do what it takes to make sure this trade happens.  

Personally I don't want anything to do with conditional picks even if we take a little less.  Don't feel like being  on Rodgers watch again next year.  Only way he possibly retires is if the Jets win it all.  Otherwise he'll want at least one more shot at a ring.  He's stated repeatedly he'll continue to play as long as it's at a high level.  Once he physically can't do it anymore he'll retire.  Anywhere from 2-4 years.  

So the 2 2nds alone are worth the 17th pick. Pick swapping 13 to 15 is the value of the 100th pick (late 3rd value not 4th value) So now that pushes the value to the 15th pick. You guys throw your 3rd in there and that takes the value to the 20th overall pick.

 

From the NYJ side that’s us in essence trading you the value of a 20th overall pick in the draft for a guy that’s 39, has a huge contract and might only be here for a year. Awful value for us. Not at all meeting in the middle.

 

Seems to me that we’re not budging off of us staying at 13. You guys get 43 we keep 42 (last thing we want is you guys drafting a guy we want after all of this). And a conditional pick in 2024 that gives you guys for sure our 2nd. Big conditions to becoming a 1st. If you guys don’t want to give us anything in 2025 if AR retires… then only way you get a 1st is if we make the SB. Want to give us a pick in 2025… then the conditions lower to us maybe being a top 2 seed or us making it to the AFCCG.

[Scoremore]

11 minutes ago, Bobby816 said:

So the 2 2nds alone are worth the 17th pick. Pick swapping 13 to 15 is the value of the 100th pick (late 3rd value not 4th value) So now that pushes the value to the 15th pick. You guys throw your 3rd in there and that takes the value to the 20th overall pick.

 

From the NYJ side that’s us in essence trading you the value of a 20th overall pick in the draft for a guy that’s 39, has a huge contract and might only be here for a year. Awful value for us. Not at all meeting in the middle.

 

Seems to me that we’re not budging off of us staying at 13. You guys get 43 we keep 42 (last thing we want is you guys drafting a guy we want after all of this). And a conditional pick in 2024 that gives you guys for sure our 2nd. Big conditions to becoming a 1st. If you guys don’t want to give us anything in 2025 if AR retires… then only way you get a 1st is if we make the SB. Want to give us a pick in 2025… then the conditions lower to us maybe being a top 2 seed or us making it to the AFCCG.

Awful value?  Look what the Rams gave up for Stafford.  Also take a look at the Wilson trade.  

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/russell-wilson-trade-details-players-seahawks-broncos/yc7ylwgss7sjzbqgibidhaf4

Rodgers is still one of the best QB's in the league.  20th overall and you are complaining?  

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/matthew-stafford-trade-rams-send-two-first-round-picks-a-third-round-pick-and-jared-goff-to-lions-for-qb/

No reason to believe Rodgers can't play at a high level for at least another 2 years.  Probably 3.  

Only reason compensation is low is because of that bloated contract.  Again our GM screwed the pooch.  We should have traded him last year and got that haul from Denver.  

Hate to disagree but think those terms are more than fair.  This is not just some 39 year old QB.  4 time MVP and HOF.  One of the best to ever play the position.  Nah man it's more than reasonable.  

[Bobby816]

5 minutes ago, Scoremore said:

Awful value?  Look what the Rams gave up for Stafford.  Also take a look at the Wilson trade.  

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/russell-wilson-trade-details-players-seahawks-broncos/yc7ylwgss7sjzbqgibidhaf4

Rodgers is still one of the best QB's in the league.  20th overall and you are complaining?  

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/matthew-stafford-trade-rams-send-two-first-round-picks-a-third-round-pick-and-jared-goff-to-lions-for-qb/

No reason to believe Rodgers can't play at a high level for at least another 2 years.  Probably 3.  

Only reason compensation is low is because of that bloated contract.  Again our GM screwed the pooch.  We should have traded him last year and got that haul from Denver.  

Hate to disagree but think those terms are more than fair.  This is not just some 39 year old QB.  4 time MVP and HOF.  One of the best to ever play the position.  Nah man it's more than reasonable.  

AARON RODGERS IS 39!!!!!!!

 

Stafford and Wilson were both 33 years old when they got traded.

33 YEARS OLD!!! That’s 6 whole year younger than Rodgers. Do you think Deshaun Watson and Kirk Cousins have the same trade value? No way. Bc Watson is 6 years younger than Cousins. Same applies here. And even more so bc when LA and DEN traded for those guys they knew they were getting several years of football with them. We might only get 1 year. So let’s not act like the situations are similar.

 
And Rodgers season last year was average.

[Rockice_8]

1 hour ago, Scoremore said:

Don't think I believe the reports coming out.  A conditional first in 2024?  Seems kind of convoluted with trying to incorporate a claw back.  Need to keep this thing simple.  Think slightly less than 2 2's this year is appropriate.  Those 2's are relatively high picks.  So take em do a pick swap in the 1st (around a 4th value) Packers kick the Jets back a 3rd.  #78 pretty decent pick also.  Allows the Jets to retain a top 15 pick in the first and still have a pick on day 2.  

Win win for both sides pretty damn fair IMO.  Gute and Douglas just need to get this thing done already.  As far as other teams not entering the fray well it's a lot like the Lamar situtation.  This deal is all but done so why waste time trying to pry Rodgers away.  He said he wants to be a Jet.  Any team entering the negotiations know that the Jets are going to do what it takes to make sure this trade happens.  

Personally I don't want anything to do with conditional picks even if we take a little less.  Don't feel like being  on Rodgers watch again next year.  Only way he possibly retires is if the Jets win it all.  Otherwise he'll want at least one more shot at a ring.  He's stated repeatedly he'll continue to play as long as it's at a high level.  Once he physically can't do it anymore he'll retire.  Anywhere from 2-4 years.  

LOL, no it's not.

43, conditional 2024 pick (likely to be a 2nd if we make the playoffs) for Rodgers and 116 is closer to fair.

[drew39k]

Radio in new England reporting that the deal is 2nd this year, 2nd next but Jets get something back in 25 if Rodgers bails early

 

[GangGreen420]

1 minute ago, drew39k said:

Radio in new England reporting that the deal is 2nd this year, 2nd next but Jets get something back in 25 if Rodgers bails early

 

Sounds about right. The equivalent of a 2nd and 3rd this year. I’m good with it

[GangGreen420]

34 minutes ago, Scoremore said:

 

Hate to disagree but think those terms are more than fair.  This is not just some 39 year old QB.  4 time MVP and HOF.  One of the best to ever play the position.  Nah man it's more than reasonable.  

Yeah but at the same time you’re not paying for his reputation. You’re paying for his future. His age and 2022 season are definitely a factor as is the gross contract you handed him. You have to consider the fact that’s being taken off your hands.

You should have traded him to Denver when you had the chance TBH.

Edited March 28, 2023 by GangGreen420

[Scoremore]

10 minutes ago, Bobby816 said:

AARON RODGERS IS 39!!!!!!!

 

Stafford and Wilson were both 33 years old when they got traded.

33 YEARS OLD!!! That’s 6 whole year younger than Rodgers. Do you think Deshaun Watson and Kirk Cousins have the same trade value? No way. Bc Watson is 6 years younger than Cousins. Same applies here. And even more so bc when LA and DEN traded for those guys they knew they were getting several years of football with them. We might only get 1 year. So let’s not act like the situations are similar.

 
And Rodgers season last year was average.

Rodgers is a far better QB than either of those guys.  Stafford is already screwed.  Rams got 1 decent year out of him. Wilson sucked in Denver and from the looks of it might already be washed.  They are not even close to the level of Rodgers.  Last season Rodgers played behind a makeshift O-line, Rookie WR's, and a broken thumb.  Yet he still had a decent season.  How do you think he'll play when he's back healthy?  We are debating about 1/2 round of value.  So think we are both in the ballpark.  It's been nothing but endless speculation guess we'll just have to wait and see what the final deal is.  You think your deal is fair I think mine is fair.  To acquire Rodgers for less than a couple of 2's is peanuts in this league. 

[Bobby816]

7 minutes ago, Scoremore said:

Rodgers is a far better QB than either of those guys.  Stafford is already screwed.  Rams got 1 decent year out of him. Wilson sucked in Denver and from the looks of it might already be washed.  They are not even close to the level of Rodgers.  Last season Rodgers played behind a makeshift O-line, Rookie WR's, and a broken thumb.  Yet he still had a decent season.  How do you think he'll play when he's back healthy?  We are debating about 1/2 round of value.  So think we are both in the ballpark.  It's been nothing but endless speculation guess we'll just have to wait and see what the final deal is.  You think your deal is fair I think mine is fair.  To acquire Rodgers for less than a couple of 2's is peanuts in this league. 

It’s a matter of viewpoint. You point out how Stafford and Wilson aren’t working. Then that plays into the jets hands as to why they shouldn’t pay too much for him.

[Scoremore]

6 minutes ago, GangGreen420 said:

Yeah but at the same time you’re not paying for his reputation. You’re paying for his future. His age and 2022 season are definitely a factor as is the gross contract you handed him. You have to consider the fact that’s being taken off your hands.

You should have traded him to Denver when you had the chance TBH.

Tell me about it.  Our FO really screwed the pooch.  Kinda hard to trade a guy coming off of 2 back to back MVP seasons though.  Good for you guys though.  Getting him for less than a third of what he would have commanded last year.  As far as the future you'll get an amped up Rodgers.  He'll have something to prove.  Saw how he performed after we drafted Love. 

Woody and Douglas know what they are doing.  All this complaining about compensation will be forgotten once he's under center.  King thought we would be asking for 2 1's.  Here we are talking about less than 2 2's.  Watched your GM's presser hard not to like the guy.  It will be a fun couple of years for being a Jet's fan.  

[Scoremore]

Just now, Bobby816 said:

It’s a matter of viewpoint. You point out how Stafford and Wilson aren’t working. Then that plays into the jets hands as to why they shouldn’t pay too much for him.

Look at what teams give up to position themselves to draft a QB.  Unproven rooks.  Multiple 1'st.  Cleveland gave up the farm for Watson.  (Worst trade ever) Just saying the market for QB's has changed since the days or Favre.  Even giving up #20 for one year of Rodgers would be better value than what these teams have been paying.  Gute knows this so does Douglas.  Just another point we received a 1st and 2nd round pick for a 30 year old WR last year.  How many years do you think Adams has left?  Just saying.  You cheapskates...😁

[jetfuel34]

I just can't wait for this BS to be over. This has to be one of the longest trades in history lol.