3rivers Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 5 minutes ago, AFlaccoSeagulls said: #FreeHerbert They cannot do worse than Lombardi and whoever their pass game coordinator was. are you sure about this? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sad People Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 Feels like the wrong guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigbear72 Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 21 minutes ago, AFlaccoSeagulls said: #FreeHerbert They cannot do worse than Lombardi and whoever their pass game coordinator was. 14 minutes ago, 3rivers said: are you sure about this? Matt Nagy says "Hold my beer!" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rivers Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 32 minutes ago, Bigbear72 said: Matt Nagy says "Hold my beer!" matt canada already is, but thanks anyways Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broncofan Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 (edited) Anthony Lynn, Matt Nagy, Pat Shurmur, Nathaniel Hackett, Matt Canada, Darrell Bevell. You can definitely do as badly or worse than Joe Lombardi. And to be clear, I think Lombardi's been nothing short of disaster for Herbert. Having said that, this has got to be the #1 position for prospective OC candidates - and IMO, the added plus that there's a HC opening there if Staley doesn't get his head out of his *** next season (the lost aggression is a big minus with Herbert as his QB, and the run D had better improve - D is supposedly his area of expertise). So the odds the Chargers get a big OC upgrade are really good - just not a lock. But the status quo was doomed for failure. Chargers fans should be relieved...along with Herbert / Charger skill position fantasy owners lol. Edited January 17, 2023 by Broncofan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leoric Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 New OC is really welcome. Should show something. It’s not Excalibur as there are a ton of problems right now. It’s a one year job as of now. Telesco and Staley are both on last years and I hope we don’t extend the lame ducks given their last performance. Bosa, Williams, KA13 and JC Jackson are all sinking us cap wise while not providing the production we thought we’d get. 40m a year into the WR position and you have Ekelor… this offense needs to move. Not real sure what they are going to do in The off-season. Looking at contracts there’s no obvious cap massages to be done to get under. Mack needs to stay and hopefully we can work out some sort of extension with him that lowers that cap hit. Fifth year option will be picked up on Herbert but I can’t justify giving him 40m a year right now. That and the cap just doesn’t have the wiggle room without some talent depletion. Extend for 2024… it’s such a mess. Telesco is looking more and more inept as I dig deeper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kramxel Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 1 year too late. And yeah, I said it last season, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broncofan Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, kramxel said: 1 year too late. And yeah, I said it last season, too. Staley being willing to gamble on 4th mitigated the effect so much last year. It was the same problem but giving Herbert the extra chance to extend drives, that’s how the Lombardi effect wasn’t noticed by mainstream media & viewers (but hardcore fans noticed as well as metrics analysts). Now that Staley lost his 4th down nerve it’s plain as day. Edited January 17, 2023 by Broncofan 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trojan Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 The Chargers also fired QB Coach Shane Day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kramxel Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 14 minutes ago, Broncofan said: Staley being willing to gamble on 4th mitigated the effect so much last year. It was the same problem but giving Herbert the extra chance to extend drives, that’s how the Lombardi effect wasn’t noticed by mainstream media & viewers (but hardcore fans noticed as well as metrics analysts). Now that Staley lost his 4th down nerve it’s plain as day. Couldn't agree more, on both counts. Lombardi being terrible (and to an extent hurting Herbert's development) and Staley loosing his aggressiveness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr LBC Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 5 hours ago, .Buzz said: Assume this means Staley is sticking. Staley being given another year and Lombardi being shown the door was the right decision. I'm just surprised Spanos made a right decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr LBC Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, kramxel said: Couldn't agree more, on both counts. Lombardi being terrible (and to an extent hurting Herbert's development) and Staley loosing his aggressiveness. It was just a poor pairing to begin with. Staley's brand of run-funnel defense really only works if you have an offense that can consistently churn out high scores - and you've got to be aggressive (if not absolutely STACKED) to do that. It's honestly not too dissimilar to what the Tampa-2, even though it was by that point believed to be a debunked/exposed scheme, worked so well in Indy while Peyton was there, because the Peyton's offense forced opposing offenses in to being far more one-dimensional, and thus allowed the front 4 for Indy's defense to legitimately pin their ears back and rush the passer on virtually every play. Staley still needs to fit some better-fitting pieces to his defense for it to really hum, but Lombardi was just too conservative with his play-calling that he was effectively handicapping the strength of Staley's defensive scheme from the get-go. Conversely - and hopefully this causes some folks to look at how offensive and defensive schemes very much have a reciprocal relationship that affect one-another - Lombardi's/Payton's/Carmichael's scheme very much worked in New Orleans, not just because of Drew Brees, but because regardless of the DC calling the plays, the Saints were a juggernaut against the run for years. So with team's very often unable to be productive on the ground against them, they were able to use (and often had available to them) a fair amount of clock with their dink-and-dunk approach. I don't even think the Chargers need to go back to the Air Coryell to "be aggressive," just get a more aggressive-minded WCO practitioner and they'll really dial into Herbert's strengths. I realize that he's likely likely going to be getting looks from the likes of Bama if the Pats hire BOB to be their OC again, but Joe Brady wouldn't be a bad fit with what the Chargers have to work with on offense at all. Edited January 17, 2023 by Dr LBC 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brownie man Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 Staley should be next if they can get Payton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D82 Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 Bad year to be an OC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nagahide13 Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 When he was in Detroit he was potentially the worst coordinator in the history of the NFL. In his system opposing players would often guess the play presnap based on formation. It was so blatant they would tell Lions players mid-game. https://www.mlive.com/lions/2015/09/report_broncos_safety_knew_lio.html Dude is terrible. Another version of Adam Gase that built his career on being carried by 1 HOF QB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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