Daniel Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 I do think the bench is useful to bring red or green flags. If a guy blows it out of the water, you give him a little green flag for being strong and a gym rat. Those are useful in a prospect. If it's really low, it is a little red flag, but only of it's way low. Pickens was the most shocking to me though, I see him bench press OLs as like his go-to move. He locks up, then just extends his arms to throw them off. Looking at that it's like "oh, that looks exactly like a bench press," so I thought he'd kill it. Guess he was really doing more of a clean. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sugashane Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 1 minute ago, Jeezla said: Paea had Kancey-length arms, which makes all that strength moot. Can't ragdoll what you can't grab. He was grabbing just fine, it was disengaging that he couldn't do. Dude held on like a clingy ex. lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
battle2heaven Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 Phillips....not ideal boundary cb frame! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dll2000 Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 7 minutes ago, minutemancl said: Squats, or maybe thrusters? Honestly, you won't get a feel for a player's play strength until you watch them actually play. There is so much technique involved in olympic lifts, and lifts in general, that you're not really measuring a player's strength, you're measuring how well they do at a given lift, which doesn't matter when you're playing football. But if they did some Olympic style lifts it would be better though. 21 minutes ago, Sugashane said: Love this. Stephen Paea benched 225 I think 49 times. Remember him rag-dolling OL his whole career? No, because he couldn't. Benching 225 in general is a stupid event that to my knowledge has shown to have no corollary to performance at all. Remember every laughed at Christian McCaffery because of a weak bench? Orlando Brown too. Last I checked those guys were still playing. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyler735 Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 3 minutes ago, dll2000 said: But if they did some Olympic style lifts it would be better though. Benching 225 in general is a stupid event that to my knowledge has shown to have no corollary to performance at all. Remember every laughed at Christian McCaffery because of a weak bench? Orlando Brown too. Last I checked those guys were still playing. This is the correct take. It feels like every year there’s a solid prospect with either a questionable bench or small hands that gets blown out of proportion. Two of the dumbest things I’ve seen when evaluating prospects over the years. Still feel bad for the Bengals for drafting small hands Joe Burrow. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeezla Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 (edited) 13 minutes ago, dll2000 said: Orlando Brown too. Orlando Brown was bad at everything at the combine, so I guess we don't need any combine events, because Orlando Brown. You usually give guys with 35"+ arms a pass on not benching 225 20+ times, but you'll find most of the good OT's in the NFL can do at least 22 reps. There is some merit to the bench press, particularly for OL who essentially have to bench press the guy across from them, without rotating out like RB's and WR's, every single snap they play. Edited March 3, 2023 by Jeezla Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Sugashane Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 12 minutes ago, dll2000 said: But if they did some Olympic style lifts it would be better though. Benching 225 in general is a stupid event that to my knowledge has shown to have no corollary to performance at all. Remember every laughed at Christian McCaffery because of a weak bench? Orlando Brown too. Last I checked those guys were still playing. Pat O'Donnell bench-pressed 225 pounds more times than Clowney. Ergo, Bears should have put him on EDGE. Not going to lie, I did get a hell of a kick out of that at the time. Seemed like a Snapple fact for the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ty21 Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 Most of the corners are better sized than this years receiving class lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dll2000 Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 11 minutes ago, Jeezla said: Orlando Brown was bad at everything at the combine, so I guess we don't need any combine events, because Orlando Brown. Pretty much. It's main use for me would be interviews, measurements and medical. So many guys screw up their boards falling in love with muscle definition or lack thereof or a fast or slow 40 time. At least I would do different athletic tests. Short shuttle and broad jump are probably two best they have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ty21 Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 Did want to mention Bresee looked more like someone in the army than Andre Carter does. Something that needs to be investigated Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ty21 Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 1 minute ago, dll2000 said: Pretty much. It's main use for me would be interviews, measurements and medical. So many guys screw up their boards falling in love with muscle definition or lack thereof or a fast or slow 40 time. At least I would do different athletic tests. Short shuttle and broad jump are probably two best they have. I’d be interested in seeing 40’s that involve wearing pads and holding a football 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dll2000 Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 4 minutes ago, Ty21 said: I’d be interested in seeing 40’s that involve wearing pads and holding a football Not necessary. You can measure game speed from game tape now. https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/stats/top-plays/fastest-ball-carriers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 3 minutes ago, dll2000 said: Not necessary. You can measure game speed from game tape now. https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/stats/top-plays/fastest-ball-carriers For college though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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