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39 minutes ago, babyatemydingo said:

The 49'ers may not look good, but.....

They drafted 2 QB's, one in the 1st and one in the 7th.

One worked out, one didn't.

The one that worked out gets paid a mere fraction of the one that didn't.

Now, they lost some draft capital in the deal.

But, if Lance had made it no one would complain.

They can make up a small amount of the draft capital with the money saved over the short term.

It isn't as bad a proposition when you look at the whole thing.

This is 100% correct. 

However we are still Assuming Purdy is not only the real deal but the real deal post Tommy John? Not sure with that particular surgery,  we should be assuming anything at this point about him being the FQB they thought Lance would be when drafted. 

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Maybe so, but draft picks in football are like draft picks in fantasy.
Don't think so?
The Patriots won six Super Bowls between the time 2000 and 2019.
Here's a history of who they drafted in the first three rounds (valued picks) from 2000 (Bill Belichick) to 2019:

2000    2    Adrian Klemm    46    G    
2000    3    J.R. Redmond    76    RB    

2001    1    Richard Seymour*     6    DE                
2001    2    Matt Light        48    T    
2001    3    Brock Williams    86    DB

2002    1    Daniel Graham    21    TE    
2002    2    Deion Branch    65    WR    
        
2003    1    Ty Warren        13    DE        
2003    2    Eugene Wilson    36    DB
2003    2    Bethel Johnson    45    WR

2004    1    Vince Wilfork    21    NT    
2004    1    Ben Watson    32    TE
2004    2    Marquise Hill    63    DE    
2004    3    Guss Scott    95    DB

2005    1    Logan Mankins    32    G    
2005    3    Ellis Hobbs    84    DB    
2005    3    Nick Kaczur    100    T

2006    1    Laurence Maroney    21    RB    
2006    2    Chad Jackson    36    WR    
2006    3    David Thomas    86    TE

2007    1    Brandon Meriweather    24    DB

2008    1    Jerod Mayo    10    LB    
2008    2    Terrence Wheatley    62    DB    
2008    3    Shawn Crable    78    LB    
2008    3    Kevin O'Connell    94    QB

2009    2    Patrick Chung    34    DB    
2009    2    Ron Brace        40    DT        
2009    2    Darius Butler    41    DB    
2009    2    Sebastian Vollmer    58    T

2010    1    Devin McCourty    27    DB    
2010    2    Rob Gronkowski    42    TE    
2010    2    Jermain Cunningham    53    LB
2010    2    Brandon Spikes    62    LB    
2010    3    Taylor Price    90    WR

2011    1    Nate Solder    17    T    
2011    2    Ras-I Dowling    33    DB    
2011    3    Stevan Ridley    73    RB    
2011    3    Ryan Mallett    74    QB

2012    1    Chandler Jones    21    DE    
2012    1    Dont'a Hightower    25    LB    
2012    2    Tavon Wilson    48    DB    
2012    3    Jake Bequette    90    DE

2013    2    Jamie Collins    52    LB    
2013    2    Aaron Dobson    59    WR    
2013    3    Logan Ryan    83    DB    
2013    3    Duron Harmon    91    DB

2014    1    Dominique Easley    29    DT    
2014    2    Jimmy Garoppolo    62    QB

2015    1    Malcom Brown    32    DT    
2015    2    Jordan Richards    64    S    
2015    3    Geneo Grissom    97    DE

2016    2    Cyrus Jones    60    CB    
2016    3    Joe Thuney    78    G    
2016    3    Jacoby Brissett    91    QB    
2016    3    Vincent Valentine    96    DT

2017    3    Derek Rivers    83    DE    
2017    3    Antonio Garcia    85    T

2018    1    Isaiah Wynn    23    T
2018    1    Sony Michel    31    RB
2018    2    Duke Dawson    56    CB

2019    1    N'Keal Harry    32    WR    
2019    2    Joejuan Williams    45    CB    
2019    3    Chase Winovich    77    DE    
2019    3    Damien Harris    87    RB    
2019    3    Yodny Cajuste    101    T

The 49'ers appear to have made up the gap with late (un-traded) picks, FA's and UDFA's, just like the Patriots.
They are the second best team in the NFC.
And don't give me the, "but they could have had this guy or that guy" argument.
If everybody had that knowledge, Tom Brady would have gone #1 overall.

Also, this can go in the Howie Roseman thread.

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11 hours ago, babyatemydingo said:

This doesn't increase the pressure on Lance and that could be a detriment in a different way.

The issue with him is that the Cowboys have been reluctant to anoint Prescott as the savior.

Now, Prescott has to look over his shoulder.

His mental tenacity is what has been in question and now fuel has been added to the fire.

Does he press with the fear that his successor has been named?

I mean, he's no Aaron Rodgers.
 

Eagles  13-4
Giants  10-7
Cowboys  9-8
Redmanders  7-10

anyone?

I don't know. I just don't see it phasing Dak much. He has been the QB of the Cowboys for 7 years and in many of those years there has been some kind of drama professionally and/or personally happening that is heavily covered in the media. He has handled it all quite well and Cowboys are mostly a playoff team with him. He needs to prove himself more in the post season but he tends to get them to the race.

Trey Lance is not threat to Dak right now and everyone knows it. We can joke and troll but if we keeping it real, that is just the truth. Trey is QB3 and if things go as planned -- will never see the field this year. They can spend this year building his confidence back and actually providing him coaching who want to see him succeed. Will it work out? Time will tell but even if he just manages to be a quality backup -- that is a major win for Dallas. 

I think Eagles will still win the division and make a deep playoff run but I also think Cowboys is still their biggest threat. Though the whole NFC East will be great again. 

 

11 hours ago, babyatemydingo said:

The 49'ers may not look good, but.....

They drafted 2 QB's, one in the 1st and one in the 7th.

One worked out, one didn't.

The one that worked out gets paid a mere fraction of the one that didn't.

Now, they lost some draft capital in the deal.

But, if Lance had made it no one would complain.

They can make up a small amount of the draft capital with the money saved over the short term.

It isn't as bad a proposition when you look at the whole thing.

 

Winning solves a lot of issues. This trade was one of the worst in NFL history but despite it they have been to the NFCC 3 out of 4 years. So really? It is what it is. I do think it is dangerous to put all their eggs in the Prudy basket but even if he is just another Jimmy G, that is fine. They can win with that. They have won with less. 

 

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On 8/25/2023 at 10:15 PM, AZ_Eaglesfan said:

It is hard to tell because he hasn't played for a number of reasons. Reason number one being the Niners think he sucks at this point. The guy couldn't beat out Darnold for a backup QB spot....

This is just a complete hubris move made by a coach I don't believe in. Sure he could be good one day I suppose, but if I were a betting man I would bet that he won't be.

It is undoubtedly one of the worst picks in NFL history given what they gave up to get him and the lack of playing time and production he had.  That said, he still has very good physical traits and could salvage his career in Dallas.  He's going from arguably the hardest offense to learn in the NFL to one of the easiest.

 

From any perspective you look at this SF comes out looking incompetent.  They bet big on a QB with limited experience and shoved him into a scheme that he's not well suited to run and then traded him for less than pennies on the dollar to one of their closest competitors.  

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On 8/26/2023 at 11:42 AM, ACO said:

I don't know. I just don't see it phasing Dak much. He has been the QB of the Cowboys for 7 years and in many of those years there has been some kind of drama professionally and/or personally happening that is heavily covered in the media. He has handled it all quite well and Cowboys are mostly a playoff team with him. He needs to prove himself more in the post season but he tends to get them to the race.

Trey Lance is not threat to Dak right now and everyone knows it. We can joke and troll but if we keeping it real, that is just the truth. Trey is QB3 and if things go as planned -- will never see the field this year. They can spend this year building his confidence back and actually providing him coaching who want to see him succeed. Will it work out? Time will tell but even if he just manages to be a quality backup -- that is a major win for Dallas. 

I think Eagles will still win the division and make a deep playoff run but I also think Cowboys is still their biggest threat. Though the whole NFC East will be great again. 

 

 

Winning solves a lot of issues. This trade was one of the worst in NFL history but despite it they have been to the NFCC 3 out of 4 years. So really? It is what it is. I do think it is dangerous to put all their eggs in the Prudy basket but even if he is just another Jimmy G, that is fine. They can win with that. They have won with less. 

 

If their goal is to win a Super Bowl, then he better be more than just another Jimmy G.  They still haven't won one with KS as their head coach, so no they haven't won with less.

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