Darbsk Posted April 14 Share Posted April 14 7 minutes ago, NickButera said: Saw that post on X about the Rams, 8 years with no first round picks, 1 super bowl win, 2 appearances, 7 playoff wins and 5 playoff appearances in those 8 years. Really curious why no teams have tried to emulate their model of obvious success. Yeh, you’d think in a copycat league there’d be a few teams looking into that. My hunch is it’s because the key piece to the plan was a trade for a QB in Stafford which then filtered on to other players and they seldom are available. If a team could swing a trade for a good, top 10 guy then it’d make the following trades for guys like Ramsey really worthwhile but if you don’t land the QB first up it really limits the impact of the other players. Teams already with a good QB should really be looking at that strategy though, but maybe if they already have a top QB and are paying him top dollar, they might not have the cap room to land a Ramsey and a Beckham aswell? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronjon1990 Posted April 14 Share Posted April 14 3 hours ago, NickButera said: Saw that post on X about the Rams, 8 years with no first round picks, 1 super bowl win, 2 appearances, 7 playoff wins and 5 playoff appearances in those 8 years. Simply by trading their firsts for can't miss playmakers. Really curious why no teams have tried to emulate their model of obvious success. I think it's a sustainability thing. The Rams McVay era didn't begin with that, rather evolved into it. Without the upward trajectory and, well, results, McVay would've been kicked to the curb years ago- which...to be fair, that applies to everyone in any situation. With the Rams in particular, they had some key pieces in place already and happened to scout exceptionally well in later roujds and nailed some FA signings (Woods, Cooks, Reynolds, Kupp, that year they had CJ Anderson looking really solid, etc.). Donald was one of the best at his position wrecking offensive game plans. That certainly helped on defense behind him. On offense, the Rams didn't shy away from signing productive guys. They also had a solid QB in place. Folks tend to overlook that Goff was and is a very good QB. Better than Stafford? Who knows yet. Goff could get 2 rings still for all we know. I think there was a level of preconceived notion that it was all McVay while Goff held them back. Maybe it wasn't a great ideological fit, but Goff's time in Detroit shows it wasn't "just" McVay. Goff has now had more success overall with both franchises than Stafford ever did. Stafford just got plugged into a Superbowl run- which Goff still has time for himself. Thr point there that I'm making is that the Rams had a very odd set of circumstances. They were being successful and most good teams don't trade a Jared Goff with how he played. I don't wanna say they got lucky Staffoed panned out, because that diminishes his own efforts. But had Stafford flopped.... Most teams look to rebuild. That usually requires first round picks, cap space, the whole nine yards. The Rams didn't do that. They "evolved" through it, for lack of a better term. I think the number of teams that could get away with that sort of strategy is a low single digit. KC and SF have the main pieces in play right now that could afford them the leeway (SF sort of did a version of it with that laughably bad Lance trade and pick). I just don't think most teams get the consistent results to even attempt that strategy- in the W/L column or from later round picks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloydFan Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 8 hours ago, NickButera said: Saw that post on X about the Rams, 8 years with no first round picks, 1 super bowl win, 2 appearances, 7 playoff wins and 5 playoff appearances in those 8 years. Simply by trading their firsts for can't miss playmakers. Really curious why no teams have tried to emulate their model of obvious success. It’s because people overvalue draft capital. Plain and simple. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCOUGHMAN Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 Surprised nobody has mentioned the history of qbs going 1,2,3 and the bust factor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big_palooka Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 8 hours ago, FloydFan said: It’s because people overvalue draft capital. Plain and simple. Someone did a study a while back looking at a 10 years of draft data. Nearly 70% of picks go down as poor to worthless. Quote 16.7% didn’t play for the team that drafted them 37% were considered useless. They either didn’t play much or didn’t make the team. 15.3% were considered poor. Had limited playing time and didn’t do well in the time they had. 10.5% were considered average. These are mediocre players that had starts or significant contributions over 2-3 years. 12.3% were considered good. These could be mediocre or average players that were multi-year starters or perhaps some genuinely good players that didn’t last all that long for the team that drafted them. 6.9% were considered Great. This category is the first that includes undeniably good draft picks. In order to be considered great, they would’ve had to play for the team that drafted them into a second contract, and also performed well over those years. 1% were considered legendary. These are future Hall of Famers, multi-year All-Pros among the best in the league for most of their relatively long careers. And so only about 8% of draft picks are players that really make much of a difference beyond replacement value, and only about 30% see much playing time or make a significant contribution to the team. The draft is completely overrated. It became mainstream popular in the last 15-20 years. It something to discuss and enjoy in the offseason. Fans love the pageantry of it all, the discussion and love seeing new players come in thus hate trading picks because of it. Fans are thinking with their emotions not logic with the draft. If the end goal is win Super Bowls, acquiring talent is the means to that end. The Rams have embodied that. The kicker, you have to pay and mange that talent turning over your roster. Which is why I think teams like to build through the draft.... it's more budget friendly. Less risk, potentially more reward. You can build through the draft, but fact is unless you are hitting in that 8% metric you're not going to build a consistently good team. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big_palooka Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 2 hours ago, NCOUGHMAN said: Surprised nobody has mentioned the history of qbs going 1,2,3 and the bust factor What's the history? It's happened 3 times: 1971, 1999, 2021 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bucksavage1 Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 (edited) The Rams have consistently found starters outside of round 1 since Les Snead took over. That’s why they had the luxury of trading 1st round picks for established stars and trading up for Goff. The Rams draft last season was incredible with no first round pick. they do a great job at identifying players in the middle of the draft that fit their system and consistently developed them into better players Edited April 15 by bucksavage1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCOUGHMAN Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 2 hours ago, big_palooka said: What's the history? It's happened 3 times: 1971, 1999, 2021 How did those pics go Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big_palooka Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 3 hours ago, NCOUGHMAN said: How did those pics go How is this relevant? Feels like bait simply to bring up the 2021 draft as "history" that the bust rate is high. Point is, there is little to no history of QBs going 1,2,3 and it's happened once in current era. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverNBlackFan Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 The donkeys new uniforms look exactly like the Virginia Cavaliers 😂 why 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaidersAreOne Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 34 minutes ago, SilverNBlackFan said: The donkeys new uniforms look exactly like the Virginia Cavaliers 😂 why I am thankful we don't screw around with our uniforms during times like these. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronjon1990 Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 29 minutes ago, RaidersAreOne said: I am thankful we don't screw around with our uniforms during times like these. Agreed. Judging how these things constantly seem to go, we'd be screwed with some really crappy clip art nonsense with the name, colors, and now the Vegas tie-in. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big_palooka Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 1 hour ago, RaidersAreOne said: I am thankful we don't screw around with our uniforms during times like these. Same, but with the new helmet rule it wouldn't hurt them to put an alternate uniform in the rotation. Black helmet would play with any combination and be a fan favorite. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big_palooka Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 The bigger Broncos story is they traded for Zach Wilson. He's a steal according to @Humble_Beast so the Raiders now have the 4th best QB in the division. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humble_Beast Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 5 minutes ago, big_palooka said: The bigger Broncos story is they traded for Zach Wilson. He's a steal according to @Humble_Beast so the Raiders now have the 4th best QB in the division. Wilson is 50/50 could break out on a new team and out of a the New York spotlight. He could also flop. It’s a low investment for a late round pick swap. He has potential, as a former top 3 pick. A move we should have made, not the Broncos aren’t forced to reach on a QB in the first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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