Sllim Pickens Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 49 minutes ago, Just Want A Title said: I mocked Dorance Armstrong Jr to the Lions. He seems like a more affordable option I think Armstrong is a great target for our staff. He is still young (26 but will be 27 when the season starts) and has 6 years of experience which is a lot for his age. He has had consistent production for 3 years but isn't putting up insane numbers to require an insane contract. I can see us signing him to a 2/3 year deal at 9-11M per year similar to the deal we gave Sutton at CB last year. This feels like a very Brad Holmes type signing. Bryce Huff is another guy that would be a similar signing but he has a much smaller track record. He is another younger guy who was solid but not amazing although he did have 10 sacks this year. More of a pass rush only guy so may be redundant with Houston. Josh Uche is the other pass rush specialist I can see us bringing in. Had a down year this year but could be a cheap 1 or 2 year prove it deal. Other lesser names that we could see brought in at DE/Edge that seem to fit the Brad Holmes style of either young guy getting a bigger role or older guy on a short deal: Yetur Gross-Matos AJ Epenesa Marcus Davenport Denico Autry Brandon Graham Jerry Hughes Dante Fowler Jr. Bud Dupree William Gholston (Similar to Cominsky) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Want A Title Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 (edited) This might require a separate thread. Would you make the trade for L'Jarius Sneed? I suspect it would take 62, 92 and a 2025 draft pick. It might still be worth it. Kansas City Chiefs open to trading star CB L’Jarius Sneed: 4 potential landing spots (msn.com) Edited February 28 by Just Want A Title Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sllim Pickens Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 48 minutes ago, Just Want A Title said: This might require a separate thread. Would you make the trade for L'Jarius Sneed? I suspect it would take 62, 92 and a 2025 draft pick. It might still be worth it. Kansas City Chiefs open to trading star CB L’Jarius Sneed: 4 potential landing spots (msn.com) Zero chance I would trade for him unless it cost us a 5th given we would have to pay him too. Not worth it to me given our holes and upcoming holes with contracts ending. I'd rather draft a CB with each one of those picks and I bet we are better now and for the future than if we move for Snead. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nagahide13 Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 58 minutes ago, Just Want A Title said: This might require a separate thread. Would you make the trade for L'Jarius Sneed? I suspect it would take 62, 92 and a 2025 draft pick. It might still be worth it. Kansas City Chiefs open to trading star CB L’Jarius Sneed: 4 potential landing spots (msn.com) Not in a million years. Sneed is getting the non-exclusive tag. We'd have to negotiate Sneed's new contract then negotiate the Chiefs down from 2 1st rounders. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idoubtit Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 3 minutes ago, nagahide13 said: Not in a million years. Sneed is getting the non-exclusive tag. We'd have to negotiate Sneed's new contract then negotiate the Chiefs down from 2 1st rounders. So if we gave up our 2025 and 2026 1st rounders that would be two 32nd picks, right? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Want A Title Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 1 hour ago, idoubtit said: So if we gave up our 2025 and 2026 1st rounders that would be two 32nd picks, right? Most of these trade go down with some combination of 2nd -day picks and players. If the Lions gave up a first this year along with pick next year, that wouldn't be so bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sllim Pickens Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 I dont get this thinking on Snead. Valenti has been hounding on it all afternoon too and I think he is just being ridiculous. Sure Snead would be great, but he is suggesting it would take pick 61 and then a 5 year 100M deal. I am guessing he would cost about that which is a lot for a CB who is good but isnt a top 5 CB. It seems there are plenty of other options that can be cheaper cap wise, shorter term, and don't cost picks or as high of picks. We have talked at length about other guys we could sign in free agency like Kendall Fuller (who has been better than Snead over the last four years). Xavien Howard has had a couple of down years but is now a free agent. Isaiah Oliver, Stephen Gilmore, Akhello Witherspoon, Sean Murphy-Bunting, Kenny Moore, Chidobe Awuzie, Shaquill Griffin, Rock Ya-Sin etc are all viable options to add at CB and are free agents. They will cost a vastly different amount and years but you can sign Fuller for 2/3 years at $30-40M and then Ya-Sin at 1 or 2 years at 4-6M and our DBs are better all around for less. Need @Karnage84 to see which of these guys or other FA's seem to fit our system the best but there has to be a mix of guys that would make us better without blowing all of our cap on one team. In the trade market, there are options worth exploring that may be cheaper. Marshawn Lattimore should cost less but likely will be a post June 1 move for NO if they move him. He has a high cap hit in 25 and 26 but can be cut/extended to fix that. And that allows us to get the big contract off the books when guys like Branch, Laporta etc are being extended. The Bills are in cap trouble and have two CB's on the final years of their contracts we could make a move for in Rasul Douglas or Taron Johnson. Tampa is in cap trouble and maybe Jamel Dean could be had cheaper given his contract is expiring after next year. San Fran also is in trouble with the cap and Charvarious Ward is going into the final year of his contract. Finally the Dolphins are also in cap trouble and Ramsey has been unhappy and maybe he could be had. A lot of options that aren't Snead that should be explored if we want to trade picks for a proven player. And he said we are in a great cap spot and it will keep going up so don't worry about keeping our guys down the road. But the reason we are in a good cap situation is because we haven't given out huge long term contracts to guys just to fill holes. We need to upgrade from Kindle Vildor and Kahlil Dorsey. Vildor was the guy who had the ball bounce off his face. Vildor is the one who gave up the 90 yard TD to Lamb. Vildor is the one who gave up the long TD to TuTu Atwell in the Rams playoff game. We don't need to freak out and make a move that straps us for 5 years, we just need someone better than the guy who got cut from the Bears before the season started. Another aspect of Holmes comments about drafting, developing and retaining our own opposed to big free agent splashes makes sense because so many times we see these top rated players leave their system they excelled in and not do as well in a new system. Guys like Ramsey and Patrick Peterson were good enough talents they could survive wherever but just last year JC Jackson leaves for a big contract and then sucks in LAC's system. Thats why short contracts with minimal risk make the most sense. Trust in the scouting, developing and decision making by those who have done it so far. We all stressed on Holmes about finding a WR after not re-signing Golladay. People yelled when he waited until round 4 to draft ARSB and guess what, it worked out. I will trust him in this situation too and not try to long term fix a problem with a short term solution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Want A Title Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 54 minutes ago, Sllim Pickens said: I dont get this thinking on Snead. Valenti has been hounding on it all afternoon too and I think he is just being ridiculous. Sure Snead would be great, but he is suggesting it would take pick 61 and then a 5 year 100M deal. I am guessing he would cost about that which is a lot for a CB who is good but isnt a top 5 CB. It seems there are plenty of other options that can be cheaper cap wise, shorter term, and don't cost picks or as high of picks. We have talked at length about other guys we could sign in free agency like Kendall Fuller (who has been better than Snead over the last four years). Xavien Howard has had a couple of down years but is now a free agent. Isaiah Oliver, Stephen Gilmore, Akhello Witherspoon, Sean Murphy-Bunting, Kenny Moore, Chidobe Awuzie, Shaquill Griffin, Rock Ya-Sin etc are all viable options to add at CB and are free agents. They will cost a vastly different amount and years but you can sign Fuller for 2/3 years at $30-40M and then Ya-Sin at 1 or 2 years at 4-6M and our DBs are better all around for less. Need @Karnage84 to see which of these guys or other FA's seem to fit our system the best but there has to be a mix of guys that would make us better without blowing all of our cap on one team. In the trade market, there are options worth exploring that may be cheaper. Marshawn Lattimore should cost less but likely will be a post June 1 move for NO if they move him. He has a high cap hit in 25 and 26 but can be cut/extended to fix that. And that allows us to get the big contract off the books when guys like Branch, Laporta etc are being extended. The Bills are in cap trouble and have two CB's on the final years of their contracts we could make a move for in Rasul Douglas or Taron Johnson. Tampa is in cap trouble and maybe Jamel Dean could be had cheaper given his contract is expiring after next year. San Fran also is in trouble with the cap and Charvarious Ward is going into the final year of his contract. Finally the Dolphins are also in cap trouble and Ramsey has been unhappy and maybe he could be had. A lot of options that aren't Snead that should be explored if we want to trade picks for a proven player. And he said we are in a great cap spot and it will keep going up so don't worry about keeping our guys down the road. But the reason we are in a good cap situation is because we haven't given out huge long term contracts to guys just to fill holes. We need to upgrade from Kindle Vildor and Kahlil Dorsey. Vildor was the guy who had the ball bounce off his face. Vildor is the one who gave up the 90 yard TD to Lamb. Vildor is the one who gave up the long TD to TuTu Atwell in the Rams playoff game. We don't need to freak out and make a move that straps us for 5 years, we just need someone better than the guy who got cut from the Bears before the season started. Another aspect of Holmes comments about drafting, developing and retaining our own opposed to big free agent splashes makes sense because so many times we see these top rated players leave their system they excelled in and not do as well in a new system. Guys like Ramsey and Patrick Peterson were good enough talents they could survive wherever but just last year JC Jackson leaves for a big contract and then sucks in LAC's system. Thats why short contracts with minimal risk make the most sense. Trust in the scouting, developing and decision making by those who have done it so far. We all stressed on Holmes about finding a WR after not re-signing Golladay. People yelled when he waited until round 4 to draft ARSB and guess what, it worked out. I will trust him in this situation too and not try to long term fix a problem with a short term solution. I would be surprised if Brad Holmes gave a 5-year contract to a player from outside the organization. Even then, he has shown a preference 3-year deals to-date. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sllim Pickens Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 8 minutes ago, Just Want A Title said: I would be surprised if Brad Holmes gave a 5-year contract to a player from outside the organization. Even then, he has shown a preference 3-year deals to-date. It will be interesting to see what he gets done with ARSB, Goff and Sewell. If he is confident in the guys fitting our team I wonder if he goes longer with internal FA's. I would hope so with Sewell since he is so young and looks like he could play in any system. ARSB likely could as well but wouldn't be shocked if we do that shorter if possible. I am assuming on all of the lesser guys (non all-pro types) we will stick to to and three year deals such as McNeil, Barnes, Iffy etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Tso Posted February 28 Author Share Posted February 28 I don't think I'd give more than a 3rd for Sneed because you have to pay him too. A comp 3rd is the best thing the Chiefs would get in letting him walk, so a normal 3rd is about it. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diehardlionfan Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 Snead is a disaster waiting to happen. Big time picks and big time contract has the potential to cripple the franchise at this stage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Karnage84 Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 11 hours ago, Nnivolcm said: His original round tender was nearly $3M (according to OTC), so this makes sense. I could see us bringing him back on a vet minimum contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karnage84 Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 15 hours ago, Sllim Pickens said: I dont get this thinking on Snead. Valenti has been hounding on it all afternoon too and I think he is just being ridiculous. Sure Snead would be great, but he is suggesting it would take pick 61 and then a 5 year 100M deal. I am guessing he would cost about that which is a lot for a CB who is good but isnt a top 5 CB. It seems there are plenty of other options that can be cheaper cap wise, shorter term, and don't cost picks or as high of picks. We have talked at length about other guys we could sign in free agency like Kendall Fuller (who has been better than Snead over the last four years). Xavien Howard has had a couple of down years but is now a free agent. Isaiah Oliver, Stephen Gilmore, Akhello Witherspoon, Sean Murphy-Bunting, Kenny Moore, Chidobe Awuzie, Shaquill Griffin, Rock Ya-Sin etc are all viable options to add at CB and are free agents. They will cost a vastly different amount and years but you can sign Fuller for 2/3 years at $30-40M and then Ya-Sin at 1 or 2 years at 4-6M and our DBs are better all around for less. Need @Karnage84 to see which of these guys or other FA's seem to fit our system the best but there has to be a mix of guys that would make us better without blowing all of our cap on one team. In the trade market, there are options worth exploring that may be cheaper. Marshawn Lattimore should cost less but likely will be a post June 1 move for NO if they move him. He has a high cap hit in 25 and 26 but can be cut/extended to fix that. And that allows us to get the big contract off the books when guys like Branch, Laporta etc are being extended. The Bills are in cap trouble and have two CB's on the final years of their contracts we could make a move for in Rasul Douglas or Taron Johnson. Tampa is in cap trouble and maybe Jamel Dean could be had cheaper given his contract is expiring after next year. San Fran also is in trouble with the cap and Charvarious Ward is going into the final year of his contract. Finally the Dolphins are also in cap trouble and Ramsey has been unhappy and maybe he could be had. A lot of options that aren't Snead that should be explored if we want to trade picks for a proven player. And he said we are in a great cap spot and it will keep going up so don't worry about keeping our guys down the road. But the reason we are in a good cap situation is because we haven't given out huge long term contracts to guys just to fill holes. We need to upgrade from Kindle Vildor and Kahlil Dorsey. Vildor was the guy who had the ball bounce off his face. Vildor is the one who gave up the 90 yard TD to Lamb. Vildor is the one who gave up the long TD to TuTu Atwell in the Rams playoff game. We don't need to freak out and make a move that straps us for 5 years, we just need someone better than the guy who got cut from the Bears before the season started. Another aspect of Holmes comments about drafting, developing and retaining our own opposed to big free agent splashes makes sense because so many times we see these top rated players leave their system they excelled in and not do as well in a new system. Guys like Ramsey and Patrick Peterson were good enough talents they could survive wherever but just last year JC Jackson leaves for a big contract and then sucks in LAC's system. Thats why short contracts with minimal risk make the most sense. Trust in the scouting, developing and decision making by those who have done it so far. We all stressed on Holmes about finding a WR after not re-signing Golladay. People yelled when he waited until round 4 to draft ARSB and guess what, it worked out. I will trust him in this situation too and not try to long term fix a problem with a short term solution. I put together the list using OTC's "CB's" and then organized it by Overall; Run Defense; Coverage; Man; and Zone grades. I was pretty loose in overall criteria, cutting out anyone who was under 50.0 in run defense. I was trying something out in terms of determining value but it wasn't quite coming together or making sense. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1GB_rsFBP2XzNhnbNdHV88hg_iVr1Qxj1/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=103445717218903679368&rtpof=true&sd=true Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigC421/ Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 16 hours ago, Sllim Pickens said: I dont get this thinking on Snead. Valenti has been hounding on it all afternoon too and I think he is just being ridiculous. Sure Snead would be great, but he is suggesting it would take pick 61 and then a 5 year 100M deal. I am guessing he would cost about that which is a lot for a CB who is good but isnt a top 5 CB. It seems there are plenty of other options that can be cheaper cap wise, shorter term, and don't cost picks or as high of picks. We have talked at length about other guys we could sign in free agency like Kendall Fuller (who has been better than Snead over the last four years). Xavien Howard has had a couple of down years but is now a free agent. Isaiah Oliver, Stephen Gilmore, Akhello Witherspoon, Sean Murphy-Bunting, Kenny Moore, Chidobe Awuzie, Shaquill Griffin, Rock Ya-Sin etc are all viable options to add at CB and are free agents. They will cost a vastly different amount and years but you can sign Fuller for 2/3 years at $30-40M and then Ya-Sin at 1 or 2 years at 4-6M and our DBs are better all around for less. Need @Karnage84 to see which of these guys or other FA's seem to fit our system the best but there has to be a mix of guys that would make us better without blowing all of our cap on one team. In the trade market, there are options worth exploring that may be cheaper. Marshawn Lattimore should cost less but likely will be a post June 1 move for NO if they move him. He has a high cap hit in 25 and 26 but can be cut/extended to fix that. And that allows us to get the big contract off the books when guys like Branch, Laporta etc are being extended. The Bills are in cap trouble and have two CB's on the final years of their contracts we could make a move for in Rasul Douglas or Taron Johnson. Tampa is in cap trouble and maybe Jamel Dean could be had cheaper given his contract is expiring after next year. San Fran also is in trouble with the cap and Charvarious Ward is going into the final year of his contract. Finally the Dolphins are also in cap trouble and Ramsey has been unhappy and maybe he could be had. A lot of options that aren't Snead that should be explored if we want to trade picks for a proven player. And he said we are in a great cap spot and it will keep going up so don't worry about keeping our guys down the road. But the reason we are in a good cap situation is because we haven't given out huge long term contracts to guys just to fill holes. We need to upgrade from Kindle Vildor and Kahlil Dorsey. Vildor was the guy who had the ball bounce off his face. Vildor is the one who gave up the 90 yard TD to Lamb. Vildor is the one who gave up the long TD to TuTu Atwell in the Rams playoff game. We don't need to freak out and make a move that straps us for 5 years, we just need someone better than the guy who got cut from the Bears before the season started. Another aspect of Holmes comments about drafting, developing and retaining our own opposed to big free agent splashes makes sense because so many times we see these top rated players leave their system they excelled in and not do as well in a new system. Guys like Ramsey and Patrick Peterson were good enough talents they could survive wherever but just last year JC Jackson leaves for a big contract and then sucks in LAC's system. Thats why short contracts with minimal risk make the most sense. Trust in the scouting, developing and decision making by those who have done it so far. We all stressed on Holmes about finding a WR after not re-signing Golladay. People yelled when he waited until round 4 to draft ARSB and guess what, it worked out. I will trust him in this situation too and not try to long term fix a problem with a short term solution. Agree with this 100% The talk radio crowd keeps going on with the double talk of the cap doesn’t really matter/ it will keep going up/ it can be manipulated while also endlessly talking about how short windows in the NFL are as if the two aren’t related. A lot teams windows shut sooner than expected because they get ahead of themselves and screw over there cap situation. Unless you plan on being a perfect drafter that’s going to catch up with you in a hurry. Outside of generational talents or just extreme opportunities I’ve never really been on board with the concept of trading high draft picks for guys that aren’t under contract. Your essentially giving up picks for the right to pay out for the biggest free agent on the market. Signing those types of FA contracts is a debate in of itself let alone giving up picks for the privilege. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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