chisoxguy7 Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 Who produces more in 2024? Keenan or DJ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madmike90 Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 39 minutes ago, chisoxguy7 said: Who produces more in 2024? Keenan or DJ? If both stay healthy throughout the season...Keenan for receptions...DJ for yards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisoxguy7 Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Madmike90 said: If both stay healthy throughout the season...Keenan for receptions...DJ for yards I like this prediction though I will say watching Keenan last year he's still pretty shifty even at his age. He's gonna surprise some of us with his YAC ability. Edited March 18 by chisoxguy7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLCbear Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 On 3/15/2024 at 10:57 PM, AZBearsFan said: Maybe Zacch Pickens just isn’t very good. Guys fail at the NFL for a lot of reasons. Justin Fields is a perfect example of this. How are you determining how guys are “wired” without actually talking to them or interacting with them? On what specifically are you concluding that Verse or Turner or whoever aren’t “wired” as well as Odunze or Bowers for success? Because they were great in college? There are countless examples of guys who dominated college football but sucked as pros and a whole lot who were average in college but significantly better in the NFL. apologies for the laTe response The JF news was hard, not only was he gifted away!, but to the ******* SteeLers who also stole a 2nd for ClayPooL... at LeaST he is in the AFC We know that there were multiple better offers and that Poles traded him to where his camp wanted him to go. We don't know exactly what these other offers were but I have to say that you were right, @Sugashane too. JF would be moved for a **** pick Obviously, I don't agree with Poles. There are conflicting reports about how he may have overplayed his hand initially... I believe that Poles planned to hold onto JF if offers came in lower, but I also think that something changed over this past week with Caleb (Caleb's camp) with regard to having BoTH QBs on the same roster. OR George stepped in, or Warren stepped in and said we aren't going to keep this national spotlight media circus going AnY LonGeR !!! It's a sad sad time when you are right AND I was wrong 😢, so here you go 💐 With regard to the Draft prospects: * Rome is wired right period, end of story. * I do not know much at all about Brock's wiring, but he and Joe Alt are just FAR superior Prospect$ * Turner and Verse have the physical gifts to dominate college competition at the same rate as Alt and Brock, but for SoME reason they don't. This is why I question their wiring ✔️ ...Turner won't get passes AtL, but give me Murphy or Verse at 14-20 (plus an additional premium pick) and I am just as excited about that, as I am about getting bigRome or Brock or Joe Alt at 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLCbear Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 On 3/16/2024 at 12:29 AM, Sugashane said: Also I'm not super dedicated with shooting compared to 4 years ago but I'm yet to see Verse take any plays off (Turner has enough it concerns me). Turner's motor combined with his athletic gifts is why I think his ceiling is higher than any other DL or EDGE in the class. Anderson is the only one is put ahead of him from last year's groups too. ya, Turner bothers me with the disappearing act. Verse doesn't take plays OFF. his physical gifts + motor + drive &determination are 1st round but NoT top-10 I like Murphy AND Verse in a trade-back scenario, and I likely take Murphy over Verse every time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskieBear Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 I'd like to see Allen get a 2 year extension on his current deal with numbers similar to Mike Evans, and have everything loaded in 2024 and 2025, leaving a potential out in 2026 (the last year) while also allowing it not not overlap with a future Moore extension. Moore can play this season and get an extension that raises future salaries more in line with WR1s. Having a QB on a rookie contract allows us to overspend a little on his WRs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StLunatic88 Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 17 minutes ago, HuskieBear said: I'd like to see Allen get a 2 year extension on his current deal with numbers similar to Mike Evans, and have everything loaded in 2024 and 2025, leaving a potential out in 2026 (the last year) while also allowing it not not overlap with a future Moore extension. Moore can play this season and get an extension that raises future salaries more in line with WR1s. Having a QB on a rookie contract allows us to overspend a little on his WRs I think most want that for Allen, to be part of most/basically all of Caleb's rookie deal. BUT I think from his side, he may want to wait and see what we do in the draft this year. If we do end up with a Nabers/Odunze at #9, I could see him saying he'll be a good vet for 2024, but knows he can cash in just about anywhere AND still have a huge target share, where here he could quickly become the #3 WR, who is also fighting with a TE who got paid as well. But if we end up with a more secondary WR in the 2nd/3rd, or even a major project from day 3 (i.e. a Brendan Rice) he may feel much more comfortable signing on for the next 3 years. The player side and their wants are often forgotten about in these discussions, and a guy like Allen who has been THE GUY for almost his whole career, might not want to let that go already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZBearsFan Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 14 minutes ago, StLunatic88 said: But if we end up with a more secondary WR in the 2nd/3rd, or even a major project from day 3 (i.e. a Brendan Rice) he may feel much more comfortable signing on for the next 3 years. The player side and their wants are often forgotten about in these discussions, and a guy like Allen who has been THE GUY for almost his whole career, might not want to let that go already. My thought process continues to be that they’ll look to trade down from 9 to the teens, take an edge rusher there like Latu or Verse, then take a WR with some size like Legette or Franklin or Polk or Pearsall or Dez Walker in R2-3. Allen can play anywhere but he’s an absolute killer in the slot, so I think they’ll look for more of a traditional X type WR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskieBear Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 15 minutes ago, StLunatic88 said: I think most want that for Allen, to be part of most/basically all of Caleb's rookie deal. BUT I think from his side, he may want to wait and see what we do in the draft this year. If we do end up with a Nabers/Odunze at #9, I could see him saying he'll be a good vet for 2024, but knows he can cash in just about anywhere AND still have a huge target share, where here he could quickly become the #3 WR, who is also fighting with a TE who got paid as well. But if we end up with a more secondary WR in the 2nd/3rd, or even a major project from day 3 (i.e. a Brendan Rice) he may feel much more comfortable signing on for the next 3 years. The player side and their wants are often forgotten about in these discussions, and a guy like Allen who has been THE GUY for almost his whole career, might not want to let that go already. its a good point - that's the main thing in my head that would prevent us from drafting WR at 9. Would Flus and poles rather get their DE/DT and role with DJ/KA as 1/2 for the next 2-3 years, or potentially grab the WR at 9 who might be that WR1B on an affordable contract for the next 5 years and look for the DE/DT help elsewhere There's something about the depth of this class at WR, the lack of picks we have, and Byron Murphy/Johnny Newton potentially being there in the late teens/early twenties that i can see the trade back, grab the 3T, and grab a WR3 with the pick acquired in the trade back. Remember, the original plan was to have Dexter be the 1T, not 3T. Move him to that role for the future or rotate with the rookie at 3T bumping to the other spot on passing downs might make flus real excited 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskieBear Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 (edited) 19 minutes ago, AZBearsFan said: My thought process continues to be that they’ll look to trade down from 9 to the teens, take an edge rusher there like Latu or Verse, then take a WR with some size like Legette or Franklin or Polk or Pearsall or Dez Walker in R2-3. Allen can play anywhere but he’s an absolute killer in the slot, so I think they’ll look for more of a traditional X type WR. completely agree on KA. I think he would EAT in the slot running slants/option routes with CW. Have DJ attack the middle of the field to highlight his YAC ability, and grab a speed threat to play X on the opposite side of the field to threaten safeties and open up for the other two. Plus, a rookie WR being the 4th/5th best target in the offense would be the best way to ease them in Edited March 20 by HuskieBear 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malagabears Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 On 3/20/2024 at 4:57 PM, HuskieBear said: I'd like to see Allen get a 2 year extension on his current deal with numbers similar to Mike Evans, and have everything loaded in 2024 and 2025, leaving a potential out in 2026 (the last year) while also allowing it not not overlap with a future Moore extension. Moore can play this season and get an extension that raises future salaries more in line with WR1s. Having a QB on a rookie contract allows us to overspend a little on his WRs I'd hold the expectation right now to a 1 year rental. Why Keenan may only be a Bear this year: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskieBear Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 4 minutes ago, malagabears said: I'd hold the expectation right now to a 1 year rental. Why Keenan may only be a Bear this year: I mean, both Lemming and I said the Evans deal as a comp. definitely depends on that chargers contract. I think the article said something like less than $18/year in the extension, which is less than the Evans deal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeaReylo Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 So The Bears better draft a receiver at 9, then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malagabears Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 Speaking of the possibilty of trading up: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dll2000 Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 I would be shocked if Bears traded up. A lot of good prospects will be there at 9. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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