Rainmaker90 Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 11 minutes ago, Old Guy said: What is laughable is you trying to twist numbers into pretzels to make your case for keeping him. Here is the FACT! Those of us who wanted to ship him out earlier because we weren't winning a Super Bowl with him have been proven correct. I can actually prove it with one simple fact, ZERO Super Bowls in the past 13 years. ZERO trips to the Super Bowl in the past 13 years. Those FACTS are not in dispute by anyone who is not suffering from ARDS or does not have a fully functioning brain. Enjoy your weekend! Glad that Primadonna is in NY. Just because he didn’t at the end (and it’s only his fault we didn’t 🙄🙄🙄) doesn’t mean he couldn’t. It’s not a hard concept to understand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexGreen#20 Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 18 hours ago, HokieHigh said: Im not a rodgers appologist but the thumb issue preventing rodgers from taking snaps definitely limited our playbook in the first lions game, and impacted his accuracy. Probably not as impactful as his decision making but it was problematic. Did it? Think about how you place your hands when under center. There's no reason your thumb should be being jolted by taking a snap from under center, minimally you should be able to protect it with a very minor adjustment. That excuse has never really made sense. I would hazard that it makes more sense that Rodgers just doesn't like taking snaps from under center and prefers the shotgun. The thumb was just a convenient excuse for him to not have to do something he didn't want to, while also removing a good portion of the playbook that he doesn't like to run. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatJerkDave Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, turf toe said: I think Love would have to really struggle or the defense play sub par again for us not to make the PO's, but winning the SB is much harder, Herman allows no middle ground. I think you may be overrating the squad a little. While I said that the schedule is pedestrian, in an earlier post, it also isn't unreasonable that the teams that are beatable also don't beat the Packers. I think that fans of the Falcons (for example) probably view the Packers game as "winnable." We are going to be relying on sustained success from a defense that has not shown to sustain success, a first time starter rookie QB, and pass catchers with about 100 or so total NFL catches. We still have two good RBs, and an offensive line that should be very good. We also have a lot of overall team speed. Teams like the 1999 Rams came out of nowhere, but that isn't the norm. We will probably build up to success. [edit] Love isn't a rookie Edited June 3, 2023 by ThatJerkDave 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Anonymous Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 Much like the game Global Thermonuclear War, the smart move with this argument is not to play 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexGreen#20 Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 17 hours ago, Packerraymond said: Rodgers went 20/29 for 225. Certainly played below his pay grade, but played like a mid tier NFL starting QB. The ST in that game was responsible for a -10 point swing in a game that had 23 points scored total. Every ST unit in the league makes peanuts compared to the QB. I'd still say a strong argument can be made the ST played worse relative to their financial commitment than our QB did. 30 other teams pay their ST similarly and get wildly more productive investment. The Packers played like **** on O and ST that night. Really should be the start and end of the argument even for the ARDS and the ABCJ. We had 9 passing first downs in that game, and 4 of them were from the fist drive. That 225 yards was the first drive and the 75 yard gain to Jones where the 49ers just flat out didn't cover Aaron Jones. The ST undoubtedly played like ****. No argument. But nobody's going to argue with you that the ST played like ****. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexGreen#20 Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 16 hours ago, Packerraymond said: #1 team in the league this year was +9.3 in point differential per game. Cannot under any circumstance lose 10 points in ST play. Since 2012, no one ever bailed out Rodgers ****ty play here, he had to be Godgers every week in the playoffs to accomplish anything. Bull**** He sucked in Chicago in the Superbowl year: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/201101230chi.htm The Defense held Minnesota to 3 points with 4.5 minutes left in the game in 2013: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/201301050gnb.htm Only needed 24 points to win against SF in 2014. We ended up passing for only 177 yards and rushing for 124: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/201401050gnb.htm The great sorrow in Seattle in 2015: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/201501180sea.htm 162 yards rushing and the defense holding the Redskins to 18 points: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/201601100was.htm Sub 7.0 Y/C and losing a QB duel to 963 year old Carson Palmer. Defense held them to 20 points in the regular season: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/201601160crd.htm Held the Giants to 13 points: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/201701080gnb.htm Good game, but not a Godgers game. Defense held them to 23. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/202001120gnb.htm Defense held the Rams to 18 points: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/202101160gnb.htm Hardly Godgers at all against the Bucs. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/202101240gnb.htm We've talked plenty about the most recent 49ers debacle There have been plenty of games in his time with the Packers where the D/ST played well enough for an average QB performance to win the game. Sometimes we got that out of Rodgers. Sometimes we didn't. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Old Guy said: Why would we exclude those two? Lol, right? My goodness. Yeah let's ignore his financial peers and compare him to other guys making less money. Because that makes sense. It's just impossible to reason with his ardent defenders. Aaron himself could have an epiphany and humbly take responsibility and they'd still find a way to discredit his own words. They're so dug in it's part of their identity at this point and there's absolutely no amount of evidence or reasoning will budge them. It's the sad reality of today. Part of a larger problem. Edited June 3, 2023 by incognito_man 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 3 hours ago, turf toe said: my brain tells me money is not the point, Then you're looking for the baseball forum, not the football one 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 1 hour ago, Rainmaker90 said: Just because he didn’t at the end (and it’s only his fault we didn’t 🙄🙄🙄) doesn’t mean he couldn’t. It’s not a hard concept to understand Aaron Rodgers is underrated because he could have been better than he actually was. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 1 hour ago, Rainmaker90 said: Just because he didn’t at the end (and it’s only his fault we didn’t 🙄🙄🙄) doesn’t mean he couldn’t. It’s not a hard concept to understand The Bears almost made the Super Bowl last year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 1 hour ago, Rainmaker90 said: Just because he didn’t at the end (and it’s only his fault we didn’t 🙄🙄🙄) doesn’t mean he couldn’t. It’s not a hard concept to understand Hindsight is 50/50. Everything has an equal chance of happening or not happening. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rainmaker90 Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 1 hour ago, incognito_man said: Hindsight is 50/50. Everything has an equal chance of happening or not happening. No it doesn’t Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rainmaker90 Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 1 hour ago, incognito_man said: Lol, right? My goodness. Yeah let's ignore his financial peers and compare him to other guys making less money. Because that makes sense. It's just impossible to reason with his ardent defenders. Aaron himself could have an epiphany and humbly take responsibility and they'd still find a way to discredit his own words. They're so dug in it's part of their identity at this point and there's absolutely no amount of evidence or reasoning will budge them. It's the sad reality of today. Part of a larger problem. You guys are so emotional when it comes to him. Can’t grasp simple points of he may not be better than every single QB but it doesn’t mean he’s bad . I get it, he hurt your feelings. But can we be objective , just a bit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Guy Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 2 minutes ago, Rainmaker90 said: You guys are so emotional when it comes to him. Can’t grasp simple points of he may not be better than every single QB but it doesn’t mean he’s bad . I get it, he hurt your feelings. But can we be objective , just a bit? Nobody said he's a bad quarterback. You said we shouldn't have traded him earlier than this offseason because we could have won a super bowl with him. We said, should have shipped him earlier because we weren't winning a super bowl with him. Simple question, multiple choice. IN HINDSIGHT who was correct here? A. Those of us who predicted we weren't winning a super bowl with him and should have moved on before this past year? B. Those who wanted to keep him claiming, 'we could have won a Super Bowl with him.' Even though in hindsight we didn't. I gotta stop,this is hurting my brain, which is fully functioning based on the side I'm on in this discussion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Guy Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 1 hour ago, incognito_man said: Hindsight is 50/50. Everything has an equal chance of happening or not happening. 24 minutes ago, Rainmaker90 said: No it doesn’t OMG, should he have put a big bright, blinking neon sigh stating, "this is sarcasm!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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