vegas492 Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 36 minutes ago, incognito_man said: posting PFF scores is not "doing the math" lol you and someone else were talking about comparing the depth in the end zone of where he's been catching the football as an argument against him. PFF scores might be somewhat useful for returners, I don't think anybody here has any idea if they are, though I went there to see if they had already done it. You are right, they had not. Instead they took the catch position into consideration when grading a return. So, it's in their formula, but it is not the end all be all. What I found interesting about looking at the returns is that we return a higher % than other teams. As in a whole lot more than most teams. And that stands to reason with our young offense and our paying a returner. But the numbers posted earlier that you pointed out, didn't tell a true story. Others are doing it better than Nixon in regards to average return yards and a score which means they are taking better risks. I've got nothing against Nixon and nothing against our philosophy of returning as many as we can. But it is not a philosophy shared by many other teams out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leader Posted November 17, 2023 Author Share Posted November 17, 2023 Is he right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wgbeethree Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 33 minutes ago, Leader said: Is he right? As far as accolades? No. As far as IRL? Yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leader Posted November 17, 2023 Author Share Posted November 17, 2023 4 minutes ago, wgbeethree said: As far as accolades? No. As far as IRL? Yes. Okay. Name a better one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazrimiv Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 4 hours ago, Packerraymond said: To me the kick return thing is simple, you don't pay a guy 4m to take knees. Throw analytics out the window, you paid the guy, so let him return, doesn't matter if it's halfway in the endzone. Take issue with it? Fault Gute for paying the guy. Yep, that's it for me as well. They didn't pay Nixon to watch him not take the ball out of the EZ. It's why he's on the roster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thrILL! Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 2 minutes ago, Mazrimiv said: Yep, that's it for me as well. They didn't pay Nixon to watch him not take the ball out of the EZ. It's why he's on the roster. Agreed and isn’t the bigger issue when we have penalties by special teams on these returns? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wgbeethree Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 7 minutes ago, Leader said: Okay. Name a better one. You've got the 60s line with 3 all decade/HoFers in Gregg, Kramer, Ringo. Then Fuzzy and the Titans kid's grandpa. Obviously if you line them both up in their primes the more recent OL is significantly "better" but there are zero all decade/HoFers on it. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazrimiv Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 On 11/15/2023 at 6:53 PM, Leader said: Bill Huber - Aaron Rodgers kept throwing the ball to Davante Adams in 2015 because he saw a special talent. The #Packers stuck with him, even with alleged questions about him making the team in 2016. It should be the same approach with Christian Watson in 2023. Is anyone is questioning whether GB should be sticking with Watson? What I mostly see is people wanting MLF to be better about using Watson in ways that lean into what Watson does well, and helps minimize what he doesn't. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NFLGURU Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 19 minutes ago, wgbeethree said: You've got the 60s line with 3 all decade/HoFers in Gregg, Kramer, Ringo. Then Fuzzy and the Titans kid's grandpa. Obviously if you line them both up in their primes the more recent OL is significantly "better" but there are zero all decade/HoFers on it. It's the 60's Packers OL and it's not even close. Teams knew what they were running and couldn't stop it. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brat&Beer Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 3 words that changed civilization as we know it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Bad Example Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 2 hours ago, wgbeethree said: You've got the 60s line with 3 all decade/HoFers in Gregg, Kramer, Ringo. Then Fuzzy and the Titans kid's grandpa. Obviously if you line them both up in their primes the more recent OL is significantly "better" but there are zero all decade/HoFers on it. 2 hours ago, NFLGURU said: It's the 60's Packers OL and it's not even close. Teams knew what they were running and couldn't stop it. That aughts line of Clifton-Wahle-Flanagan-Rivera-Tausch didn't suck either It's kind of funny that for all the love the '90s teams get they didn't really have a great OL unit and no truly great individual players either. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Penske Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 1 hour ago, Brat&Beer said: 3 words that changed civilization as we know it. All feels right in the world when I hear this. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beekay414 Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 5 hours ago, Brat&Beer said: 3 words that changed civilization as we know it. lol they basically used the same one every time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 13 hours ago, beekay414 said: lol they basically used the same one every time Lol that bill burr avatar 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Guy Posted November 19, 2023 Share Posted November 19, 2023 On 11/17/2023 at 8:50 PM, Arthur Penske said: All feels right in the world when I hear this. Will Cooper DeJean, Iowa sound as good? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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