Old Guy Posted August 8 Share Posted August 8 (edited) 33 minutes ago, ThatJerkDave said: I have watched quite a bit of UFL/XFL, and I honestly can't tell. I think the STs are still mostly WRs, DBs, TEs, and LB. If you kept up with my UFL threads, former Packer Darrius Shepherd is phenomenal at this type of kick off. Now, he is what they call a AAAA player in baseball, so he might just be way better than everyone he is playing against. But watching how he works bodes well for Keisean Nixon, IMO. They move pretty similarly, but Keisean is a little bit faster. The kickoff plays a lot like an end-around or a WR screen, at least in the UFL. I guess we will get to see what the NFL kickoff teams do. I mostly watched the Battlehawks, who have Sheppherd, but they seem to start at about the 40. There are returns, but surprisingly few TDs. My guess is that trend continues, and the better returners will get their team to the 40 or so, but there won't be a ton of kick return TDs. My thought, which means nothing, is the guys only have to run 20 - 30 yards in coverage now. Almost feels like that lends itself to more TE, LB type of guys. For returns, it almost feels like you'd want a few fat guys in the middle, but can they retreat fast enough to be in position to clear those oncoming guys out? That is the only intrigue for me regarding the new rule. As a whole, I hate it. Personally, get rid of all returns, punters and kickers. You can only punt from shotgun formation and the punter has to be a running back or quarterback, lined up to run a play. No kickoffs, field goals or extra points. Gives teams three more roster spots. Edited August 8 by Old Guy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uffdaswede Posted August 8 Share Posted August 8 4 hours ago, Old Guy said: My thought, which means nothing, is the guys only have to run 20 - 30 yards in coverage now. Almost feels like that lends itself to more TE, LB type of guys. For returns, it almost feels like you'd want a few fat guys in the middle, but can they retreat fast enough to be in position to clear those oncoming guys out? That is the only intrigue for me regarding the new rule. As a whole, I hate it. Personally, get rid of all returns, punters and kickers. You can only punt from shotgun formation and the punter has to be a running back or quarterback, lined up to run a play. No kickoffs, field goals or extra points. Gives teams three more roster spots. I’m going to save this for a new forum game show called “Name That Poster!” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zycho32 Posted August 8 Share Posted August 8 5 hours ago, Old Guy said: My thought, which means nothing, is the guys only have to run 20 - 30 yards in coverage now. Almost feels like that lends itself to more TE, LB type of guys. For returns, it almost feels like you'd want a few fat guys in the middle, but can they retreat fast enough to be in position to clear those oncoming guys out? That is the only intrigue for me regarding the new rule. As a whole, I hate it. Personally, get rid of all returns, punters and kickers. You can only punt from shotgun formation and the punter has to be a running back or quarterback, lined up to run a play. No kickoffs, field goals or extra points. Gives teams three more roster spots. If I remember correctly, in the old kickoff formation, the only times I saw an OL/Real Big Boy on the unit they were always lined up on the last two or so defenders in front of the returner(s). Dan Connolly in particular. I can come up with two theories as to why they were placed there and not at the front; 1. Men of such size working in such open-field conditions are better off advancing in a single direction forward as opposed to running towards the end zone, then turning 180 and trying to zero in on a target. 2. The OL serves best as someone who can more or less escort the returner for the first ten-plus yards before engaging the first defender he can reach, and in the process create a sort of wedge from which the returner can find daylight. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazrimiv Posted August 8 Share Posted August 8 OL who can effectively block in the open field are not a dime a dozen commodity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squire12 Posted August 8 Share Posted August 8 11 minutes ago, Mazrimiv said: OL who can effectively block in the open field are not a dime a dozen commodity. And they are often starters, so how aggressive do teams want to be with starters on special teams? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Guy Posted August 8 Share Posted August 8 1 hour ago, Zycho32 said: If I remember correctly, in the old kickoff formation, the only times I saw an OL/Real Big Boy on the unit they were always lined up on the last two or so defenders in front of the returner(s). Dan Connolly in particular. I can come up with two theories as to why they were placed there and not at the front; 1. Men of such size working in such open-field conditions are better off advancing in a single direction forward as opposed to running towards the end zone, then turning 180 and trying to zero in on a target. 2. The OL serves best as someone who can more or less escort the returner for the first ten-plus yards before engaging the first defender he can reach, and in the process create a sort of wedge from which the returner can find daylight. My recollection of when the fat guys were taken off the return teams was when they outlawed forming a wedge for the returner. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Refugee Posted August 9 Share Posted August 9 A light but good summary of Clements and his impact on the Packers’ QB room over the years and today. It will be interest he decides to hang it up after this season and if Mannion will be his successor. https://www.packers.com/news/the-quarterback-whisperer-tom-clements-process-rooted-in-fundamentals-2024 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
{Family Ghost} Posted August 9 Share Posted August 9 1 hour ago, Refugee said: A light but good summary of Clements and his impact on the Packers’ QB room over the years and today. It will be interest he decides to hang it up after this season and if Mannion will be his successor. https://www.packers.com/news/the-quarterback-whisperer-tom-clements-process-rooted-in-fundamentals-2024 That's a good article .. there was also another out there that I can't seem to locate that involved his history with other QBs like Jake Delhome and a couple others .. all guys that had their best seasons under his tuteledge. He's a gem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Guy Posted August 13 Share Posted August 13 Matt LaFleur - 'I want to vomit' when asked about Packers WR1 - ESPN 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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R T Posted August 13 Share Posted August 13 1 hour ago, Old Guy said: Matt LaFleur - 'I want to vomit' when asked about Packers WR1 - ESPN I don't blame him, when I read that stupidity on here, I just roll my eyes and move on. Most of the stat boys will never figure it out though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatJerkDave Posted August 13 Share Posted August 13 27 minutes ago, R T said: I don't blame him, when I read that stupidity on here, I just roll my eyes and move on. Most of the stat boys will never figure it out though. It is a fantasy football centric question. There are a lot of football fans that care more about their fantasy team than any real team. Matt is trying to win real games, guys looking for the number 1 WR just want to know if Doubs is going to get 10 targets or if it will be Jayden Reed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brat&Beer Posted August 13 Share Posted August 13 5 minutes ago, ThatJerkDave said: It is a fantasy football centric question. There are a lot of football fans that care more about their fantasy team than any real team. Matt is trying to win real games, guys looking for the number 1 WR just want to know if Doubs is going to get 10 targets or if it will be Jayden Reed. I'm in a draft Thursday night. Doubs or Reed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
{Family Ghost} Posted August 13 Share Posted August 13 6 minutes ago, Brat&Beer said: I'm in a draft Thursday night. Doubs or Reed? Reed will probably get more touches, and probably more TD's as well. Truthfully I'm probably not targeting any Packers wideouts until later in the draft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spartacus Posted August 13 Share Posted August 13 32 minutes ago, Brat&Beer said: I'm in a draft Thursday night. Doubs or Reed? Wicks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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