Dubz41 Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 For those who don't think LeRoy Butler, Godfather of the Lambeau Leap, isn't worthy of the HOF please see below. I omitted the no brainer HOF safeties like Ronnie Lott, Ed Reed and Kenny Houston; I tried to include relatively recent inductees instead of comparing guys from the 1950-60-70s. I also included two other safeties up for consideration this year. Leroy Butler 1990-2001 12 seasons 181 games 38 INTs 10 FRs 20.5 Sacks 4 Time First Team All Pro 14 Playoff games John Lynch 1993-2007 15 seasons 224 games 26 INTs 9 FRs 13 Sacks 2 Time First Team All Pro 12 Playoff games Steve Atwater 1989-1999 11 seasons 167 games 24 INTs 8 FRs 5 sacks 2 Time First Team All Pro 14 Playoff games HOF Safeties: Brian Dawkins 1996-2011 16 seasons 224 games 37 INTs 19 FRs 26 sacks 4 Time First Team All Pro 18 Playoff games Kenny Easley 1981-1987 7 seasons 89 games 32 INTs 11 FRs 8 sacks 3 Times First Team All Pro 6 Playoff games 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fl0nkerton Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 whats the point of giving mccaffery 2 all-pro positions lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas492 Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 LeRoy Butler. What a great player and even better person. He was on my uncle's Honor Flight in the fall. Signed a bunch of stuff and really bonded with those vets. As far as a player goes...I seem to recall Ron Wolf taking the GB job, walking into that locker at the end of the year and declaring that no one's job was safe. Turnover was huge in that first year. But Butler remained. And grew. And thrived. From a corner to a safety. Guy was a gamechanging safety. I remember a Giant game when he roamed about 2/3 of centerfield and picked off a pass on the right goalline. I don't know many guys who could cover that distance, then jump and take that interception. Then he grew into a very good blitzer. I'd put him in the Hall of Fame. But...I am a "Homer" for him. Great player. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
packfanfb Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 1 hour ago, Leader said: Ben Fennell - Allen Lazard - 2019 Production 3rd Down: 13 Catches (2nd) - 12 1st Downs (2nd) 4th Quarter: 11 Catches - 10 1st Downs (T-1st) Slot: 16 Catches (3rd) Reliability: 35 catches 51 targets, 3 Drops 68.6% Catch Rate (1st) Play Extension: Receptions +2.5 secs - 18 Catches (3rd) Ranking is where that lands on the Packers, not the entire NFL. Also Fennell: One guy's opinion but even he, despite praising Lazard's success this year, thinks he's a 4-5 guy at best. Hell, I think we could even get away with Lazard as our No. 3 next year, but the talk of him being a No. 2 needs to stop. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacman5252 Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 2 minutes ago, packfanfb said: Also Fennell: One guy's opinion but even he, despite praising Lazard's success this year, thinks he's a 4-5 guy at best. Hell, I think we could even get away with Lazard as our No. 3 next year, but the talk of him being a No. 2 needs to stop. I think wanting Lazard as WR 3 or 4 is a fair take. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBURGE Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 6 minutes ago, pacman5252 said: I think wanting Lazard as WR 3 or 4 is a fair take. If we can get a WR2 the room looks pretty good next year. Adams ??? Lazard EQ MVS 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas492 Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 14 minutes ago, packfanfb said: Also Fennell: One guy's opinion but even he, despite praising Lazard's success this year, thinks he's a 4-5 guy at best. Hell, I think we could even get away with Lazard as our No. 3 next year, but the talk of him being a No. 2 needs to stop. Label me skeptical that any rookie comes into the team and earns enough trust to be a #2. Lazard has that trust already. It'll take a rookie some time to gain it. And I'm not taking practices or games, it probably takes a year and a half or more. Maybe, just maybe that isn't the case if the right FA wide receiver is brought in. And...I don't know who that is.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachbuns Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 57 minutes ago, vegas492 said: Label me skeptical that any rookie comes into the team and earns enough trust to be a #2. Lazard has that trust already. It'll take a rookie some time to gain it. And I'm not taking practices or games, it probably takes a year and a half or more. Maybe, just maybe that isn't the case if the right FA wide receiver is brought in. And...I don't know who that is.... I don't think a rookie can be the #2 either but who knows? Whether it's a trade or free agency, an established wr would probably be preferable. However, drafting a wr in round 2-3-4 still wouldn't be a bad idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lodestar Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 I have a crazy feeling, based off what Gute tried two offseasons ago, that we end up with Amari Cooper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBURGE Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 9 minutes ago, Lodestar said: I have a crazy feeling, based off what Gute tried two offseasons ago, that we end up with Amari Cooper. I sincerely hope not. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
{Family Ghost} Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 1 hour ago, incognito_man said: name recognition vote. Z Smith was probably the most deserving player on the team this season, followed by A Jones. Not sure if anyone else was really all that close TBH. He probably should have got the nod over Cam Jordan, but all the guys selected ahead of him turned in really good years. Z missed by 3 votes. Aaron Jones maybe should have got 2nd team "flex' or something. It was dumb .. McCaffrey got RB & Flex on first team, and Henry got RB & Flex on 2nd team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas492 Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 35 minutes ago, coachbuns said: I don't think a rookie can be the #2 either but who knows? Whether it's a trade or free agency, an established wr would probably be preferable. However, drafting a wr in round 2-3-4 still wouldn't be a bad idea. Maybe they find a Greg Jennings who can step into that #2 role right away. Probably they can't. But...I agree. I think that room needs a veteran WR as well as a higher drafted rookie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leader Posted January 3, 2020 Author Share Posted January 3, 2020 EQ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
{Family Ghost} Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 Just now, Leader said: EQ #4 wideout Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas492 Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Leader said: EQ 2 minutes ago, {Family Ghost} said: #4 wideout If he's lucky. ...and I hope he is. Edited January 3, 2020 by vegas492 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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