LETSGOBROWNIES Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 @Mind Character does Hurst’s age not bother you at all? Dude should be signing his second contract, not his first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mind Character Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 3 hours ago, LETSGOBROWNIES said: @Mind Character does Hurst’s age not bother you at all? Dude should be signing his second contract, not his first. With him I just ask myself would I think it a good move if we had to give up a 2nd round pick to sign a pro bowl impact ultra talented 25 year old Restricted Free Agent TE to a 4 year deal for 8Mil with 4Mil guaranteed. Ultimately, it also really makes sense because I think he's going to be a star right out the gate. He plays mature, has been a professional before (baseball), and on the youngest team in NFL history he's too good/valuable to pass up. While I would tend to agree with you on the age thing almost every time, he'll be a good player for 7-8 years in the league...if he's that for us...it worked out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mastercheddaar Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 10 hours ago, Mind Character said: 1st Round: 1(1) Browns Select: Sam Darnold QB USC 1(2) New York Giants select Baker Mayfield QB Oklahoma 1(3) Indianapolis Colts select Saquon Barkley RB Penn State ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ***Trade**** 1(4) to the NYJets for their 1st(6) + 2nd round picks in 2018 and their 1st and 3rd round in 2018. Jets and Broncos have a bidding war to come up and get Josh Rosen....the Jets offer wins out...they jump 1 spot ahead of the Broncos and get their QB1. 1(6-via NYJ) Browns Select: Carlton Davis CB Auburn ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 2nd Round: 2. Browns Select: Rashaad Penny RB SDSU 2.(via Texans) Browns Select: Hayden Hurst TE/WR/HB South Carolina 2. (via Jets) Browns Select: Mark Andrews TE Oklahoma 2.(via Eagles) Browns Select: Sony Michel RB Georgia ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 3rd Round: 3. Browns Select: Armani Watts FS/SS TAMU ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 4th Round: 4. Browns Select: Trayvon Henderson FS/SS Hawaii 4. Browns Select: Duke Dawson CB Florida ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 5th Round: 5. Browns Select: Jamal Peters CB Miss. St 5. Browns Select: Marcus Allen SS ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 6th Round: 6. Hunter Renfrow WR Clemson ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 7th Round: BPA You lost me on drafting 2 RBs and 2 TEs in the 2nd. Spread the wealth a bit to other positions. Also (bit of sour grapes) how does Mind get away with mocking 2 TEs and I take a bomber squadron worth of flak for saying we should pick Troy Fumagalli in the 3rd/4th?!?!? That is all Mastercheddaar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mind Character Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 36 minutes ago, Mastercheddaar said: You lost me on drafting 2 RBs and 2 TEs in the 2nd. Spread the wealth a bit to other positions. Also (bit of sour grapes) how does Mind get away with mocking 2 TEs and I take a bomber squadron worth of flak for saying we should pick Troy Fumagalli in the 3rd/4th?!?!? That is all Mastercheddaar lol Well...I liked the Fumagalli pick You guys have to open up your minds a little bit to the possibilities of offensive football. The goal is to put the best talent on our roster that has a chance for high impact, as well as surround our young QB with the talent to succeed. But first....Who's our leading rusher next year? Do we have a RB that defenses have to account for? Crowell will be gone and Duke is more WR than RB at this point. Matthew Dayes isn't close to the talent of Sony Michel and Penny. So, we'd basically have no RB1 after crow leaves. In this league, you don't need 1...you need 2 to create a force from the RB position. We see that in new orleans, jacksonville, atlanta, new england, etc. Michel and Penny would give us a potent 1, 2 punch that our QB can rely on. As far as 2 TEs, don't get so caught up in the position name. Hayden Hurst is more WR/HB than TE just like Evan Engram w/ with the Giants. That means he'll play out wide or from the slot position like Engram does. Including the OL, QB, and RB that only accounts for 7 of the 11 men on the field for the offense. Typically people assume 2 of the remaining 4 will be WRs, 1 will be a TE, and 1 will be a FB. What if instead we put 2 WRs and 2 TEs on the field. Or in a jumbo WR 3rd down set have 1 WR and 3 TEs For example: Our Base Pass Catcher Set QB Sam Darnold (Alex Smith // AJ Mccaron) RB Rashaad Penny (Sony Michel // Duke Johnson) WR Josh Gordon WR Terrelle Pryor (Corey Coleman) WR/TE David Njoku WR/TE/HB Hayden Hurst (Mark Andrews) ---This gives us a size and speed advantage. Jumbo Pass Catcher Set and 3rd and short pass package QB Sam Darnold (Alex Smith // AJ Mccaron) RB Rashaad Penny (Sony Michel // Duke Johnson) WR Josh Gordon (Terrelle Pryor // Corey Coleman TE Mark Andrews WR/TE David Njoku WR/TE/HB Hayden Hurst --Who's getting a jump ball or bodying up any of these massive jump ball specialist...oh did I mention they're all very fast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brownie man Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 Playmaker Mock 1. Sam Darnold 1B. Minkah Fitzpatrick 2A.WR Auden Tate Florida State 2B. WR Christian Kirk Texas AM 2C.FS Deshone Elliot Texas 3. CB Tavarrus McFadden Florida State 4A.RB Royce Freeman Oregon 4B. Athlete Jaylen Samuels NC State Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bosko1616 Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 Free Agency. Go get Alex Smith. Give up a 3rd and 5th with a conditional pick next year 2-4 sign Jarvis Landry WR 5 years. Sign Jeremy Hill RB 3 years sign Trumaine Johnson CB 4 years 1. Sam Darnold QB trade with Buffalo we get both their 1st, 3rd, Cordy Glenn LT/RT, and 1st in 2019 21. Darius Guice RB 22. Carlton Davis CB 33. Mark Andrews TE 35. Anthony Miller WR 60. Jerome Baker ILB/OLB 65. Armani Watts FS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mind Character Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 The Plan To Get to Winning (9-7) As Soon As Possible FA Signings 1a. Ezekiel Ansah DE Detroit Lions 1b. AJ Mccaron QB Bengals 2a. Rashaan Melvin CB Colts 2b. Cordy Glenn RT Buffalo (He will be released soon by Buffalo) 3a. Jarvis Landry WR Miami 3b. Terrelle Pryor WR Washington (Go Veteran reliable pass catchers instead of selecting a lot in the draft) 4. Paul Richardson WR Seattle( You can't trust Corey Coleman to stay healthy or Gordon to not be suspended) -------------------------- Select the Best Players Mock 1st Round: 1(1) Browns Select: Sam Darnold QB USC 1(2) New York Giants select Baker Mayfield QB Oklahoma 1(3) Indianapolis Colts select Saquon Barkley RB Penn State ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ***Trade**** 1(4) to the NYJets for their 1st(6) + 2nd round picks in 2018 and their 1st and 3rd round in 2019. Jets and Broncos have a bidding war to come up and get Josh Rosen....the Jets offer wins out...they jump 1 spot ahead of the Broncos and get their QB1. ***Trade**** 1(6) to the Arizona Cardinals their 1st(15) + 2nd round picks in 2018 and their 2nd and 3rd round in 2019. Arizona comes up to get a Josh Allen after the Broncos pass on him at 5 because they signed Kirk Cousins in Free Agency. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1(15-via Arizona) Browns Select: Joshua Jackson CB Iowa ***Trade**** Browns trade 2(32), this year's 3rd round pick, this year's 5th round pick, and a 4th in 2019 to the Rams for 1(23) 1(23-via Rams) Browns Select: Carlton Davis CB Auburn ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 2nd Round: 2.(via Texans) Browns Select: Tremaine Edmunds LB Va Tech: Head Scratcher?? Too talented to pass up. BPA by a long shot. Has top LB in the league upside. Will challenge Schobert and Collins as starter...and could be a star pro bowl impact player long term in lieu of Schobert's likely flash in a pan pro bowl bid. Will get on the field immediately as an additional pass rusher from the MLB position on 3rd down. 2. (via Jets) Browns Select: Rashaad Penny RB SDSU 2. (via Arizona) Browns Select: Sony Michel RB Georgia 2.(via Eagles) Browns Select: Kameron Kelly FS SDSU (I have him as an Impact FS right away even though he played CB this year but he balled in FS role previous year) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 3rd Round: N/a - No picks b/c of trade ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 4th Round: 4. Browns Select: Dallas Goedert TE South Dakota St. 4. Browns Select: Sam Beal CB Western Michigan ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 5th Round: 5. Browns Select Trayvon Henderson FS/SS Hawaii 5. Browns Select: N/a - No pick b/c of trade to Rams ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 6th Round: ***Trade**** Browns trade 5th round pick next year and 7th this year for a 6th round pick this year ***6. Browns Select: Hunter Renfrow WR Clemson 6. Browns Select: Marcus Allen SS Penn State ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 7th Round: N/a - No picks b/c of trade ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The 53 The Browns 53-man roster breaks down as follows: Offense (26) Quarterbacks (3): AJ Mccaron // Deshone Kizer // Sam Darnold Running Backs (4): Rashaad Penny // Duke Johnson // Sony Michel // Practice Squad: Matthew Dayes Fullback (1): Danny Vitale; Wide Receivers (6): Josh Gordon // Terrelle Pryor // Jarvis Landry // Corey Coleman // Paul Richardson // Hunter Renfrow Tight Ends (3): David Njoku // Dallas Goedert // Seth DeValve Offensive Linemen (10): Joe Thomas // Joel Bitonio // JC Tretter // Kevin Zeitler // Cordy Glenn // Shon Coleman // Marcus Martin // Spencer Drango // Austin Reiter // Zach Banner // Practice Squad: Rod Johnson Defense (24) Defensive linemen (8): Myles Garrett // Danny Shelton // Larry Ogunjobi // Ezekiel Ansah // Emmanuel Ogbah // Caleb Brantley // Trevon Coley // Carl Nassib Linebackers (5): Jamie Collins Sr. // Christian Kirksey // Tremaine Edmunds // Joe Schobert // James Burgess Corner Backs (6): Rashaan Melvin // Carlton Davis // Joshua Jackson // Jason McCourty // Sam Beal // Briean Boddy-Balhoun Practice Squad: Howard Wilson Free Safeties (2): Kameron Kelly // Trayvon Henderson // Practice Squad: Kai Nacua Strong Safeties (3): Jabrill Peppers // Derrick Kindred // Marcus Allen Specialists (3) Kicker (1): Zane Gonzalez; Punter (1):Britton Colquitt; Long snapper (1):Charley Hughlett Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FGK Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 10 hours ago, bosko1616 said: Bosko's Mock I would hate all of this except the Trumaine signing, Darnold (don't love, don't hate), Guice (but we don't get enough to move down that far IMO), Davis, and Miller. 9 hours ago, Mind Character said: The Plan To Get to Winning (9-7) As Soon As Possible I have no idea on how a plan to immediately compete starts with Darnold. McCarron would need an EPIC supporting cast to hit 9-7 and I don't if this super young roster is ready for that. Richardson and Pryor as flyers make sense, but somebody is going to pay Landry WAAAAAY more than he's worth. We have a better version of him on the team already in Duke. Love the rest of your 1st/2nd round moves (although, again, not sure how making moves for future picks fits your 9-7 ASAP motto. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mind Character Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 4 hours ago, freakygeniuskid said: I would hate all of this except the Trumaine signing, Darnold (don't love, don't hate), Guice (but we don't get enough to move down that far IMO), Davis, and Miller. I have no idea on how a plan to immediately compete starts with Darnold. McCarron would need an EPIC supporting cast to hit 9-7 and I don't if this super young roster is ready for that. Richardson and Pryor as flyers make sense, but somebody is going to pay Landry WAAAAAY more than he's worth. We have a better version of him on the team already in Duke. Love the rest of your 1st/2nd round moves (although, again, not sure how making moves for future picks fits your 9-7 ASAP motto. 9-7 was supposed to be a joke.. The future picks were not the goal but acquired only b/c Saquon Barkley was off the board and QB hungry teams might be wiling to give us a value offer we can't refuse. I'm at the point in reviewing players games where I only want our second 1st round pick to be used on Carlton Davis or Joshua Jackson. not Chubb or strong safety Minkah Fitzpatrick. So, to accomplish that it seems a trade down makes sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FGK Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 6 hours ago, Mind Character said: The future picks were not the goal but acquired only b/c Saquon Barkley was off the board and QB hungry teams might be wiling to give us a value offer we can't refuse. I'm at the point in reviewing players games where I only want our second 1st round pick to be used on Carlton Davis or Joshua Jackson. not Chubb or strong safety Minkah Fitzpatrick. So, to accomplish that it seems a trade down makes sense. Gotcha. I'm just not with you on Minkah. I think he's a Jalen Ramsey type. Will do whatever the heck you need him to do in the secondary and for Bama that meant more SS type stuff. I think he tests like Ramsey did at the combine, or better, and ends up being a boundary CB who moves into FS or SCB in certain alignments. But I could be wrong, secondary is not my strongest spot as far as scouting record goes haha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mind Character Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 1 hour ago, freakygeniuskid said: Gotcha. I'm just not with you on Minkah. I think he's a Jalen Ramsey type. Will do whatever the heck you need him to do in the secondary and for Bama that meant more SS type stuff. I think he tests like Ramsey did at the combine, or better, and ends up being a boundary CB who moves into FS or SCB in certain alignments. But I could be wrong, secondary is not my strongest spot as far as scouting record goes haha. I hear you. Oh...I could definitely and easily be wrong on Minkah... I desperately wish I saw Minkah as a CB1 or FS1 as he's my favorite player in the draft in terms of overall intangibles. He's the hardest player to evaluate in the draft b/c he never plays FS, ranges in the post, cues and jumps a route in the post via eye recognition, and has limited boundary CB stats against elite comp. I hope I'm wrong on him as I'd love that player on my team, but I know for a fact Jackson and Davis are CB1 and I've identified players I believe are FS1s so I just went with those. I just don't see it after Hunter Renfrow did him in it exposed his hips and revealed some eye and processing issues that could be problematic at CB. That same year (2016) he got beat in 3 games as a boundary CB where he couldn't locate the ball and let the WRs get on top of him and stack him easily. He does his best work in the box and performs really good in other roles that Bama puts him in, but I'm not sure he does so at the NFL as he never is put in position to do typical things a FS has to do.. He's so much like Jabrill Peppers to me in that making them a FS takes away the very things they do that are great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheeRealDeal Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 I have said I side with MC on this Minkah debate in the past and I still do, but I would not be totally against the pick if we made it. If Minkah is the pick then Greg Williams had better have a plan in place to use Peppers and Minkah and I believe it can be done with wild success just not how he did it this year with Peppers. Most NFL teams play nickel 70% of the time or more as it is so drafting a stud like Minkah to play a nickel/SS role wouldn't be a bad idea but then we still need to find a true free safety. I believe we have linebacker over load right now with Kirksey, Collins, Schobert and even Burgess would would start on several other teams. In the event of a Minkah pick I believe one of these guys has to go and another one's role would be greatly reduced so that Jabrill Pepeprs could play a LB/SS hybrid role would Minkah plays a NB/SS hybrid role with a true center fielder. Something like: DE Emmanuel Ogbah/Carl Nassib DT Larry Ogunjobi/Caleb Brantley DT Trevon Coley/Danny Shelton DE Myles Garrett/Ade Aruna/Kemoko Turray LB Jamie Collins/Christian Kirksey LB Joe Schobert/James Burgess NB Minkah Fitzpatrick/Briean Boddy-Calhoun SS Jabrill Peppers/Derrick Kindred FS Jessie Bates/Jordan Whitehead CB Trumaine Johnson/Young QB CB Jason McCourty/Howard Wilson 1-1. Sam Darnold 1-4. Minkah Fitzpatrick 2-33. Sony Michel 2-35. Michael Gallup 2-60. Jessie Bates 3-65. Young CB 4. Ade Aruna 4 Kemoko Turray 5 Jordan Whitehead Ridiculously athletic secondary with potential through the roof. Peppers and Minkah can defend the run as well. Howard Wilson is one of the better run defending CBs I remember seeing in a long time and I can't wait for him to get his chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaWg_LB. Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 Just finished my latest draft. 1rst Sam Darnold QB, USC Height: 6-4. Weight: 225 We go get the Franchise QB and let him begin learning the NFL with NO PRESURE to start as a rookie. Remember this kid is a Red Shirt Soph…just as young as Deshon Kizer (Who I still want to see how he develops) 1rst Minkah Fitzpatrick, S, Alabama Height: 6-1. Weight: 203 Toyed with the idea of trading down here with Buffalo to get two more first round picks, but no more of that, we grab a Blue Chipper and solve our issue at FS. 2ndBryce Love, RB, Stanford Height: 5-10. Weight: 196 The run on Running Backs I think starts early on day 2, with only Barkley going on day 1…we grab a game breaker at RB…I think he runs 4.37 at the combine. 2nd Equanimeous St. Brown, WR, Notre Dame Height: 6-4. Weight: 205 We need to address the WR position, not only does this add talented polished route runner, he was Kizer’s #1 target at ND…this is two birds with one stone. 2nd Marcus Davenport, DE, UTSA Height: 6-7. Weight: 256 We address our Pass Rush issues with a Value pick here kid I’ve heard folks say could develop into Myles Garret type of guy. And with both our DE’s missing significant time with injuries, the depth cant hurt. 3rd Anthony Miller, WR, Memphis Height: 5-11. Weight: 190 One of my Favorite Players in the Draft…great Hands and Great Route runner 4th Rashaad Penny, RB, San Diego State Height: 5-11. Weight: 220 We add a power back, who was not only the nation’s leading rusher, but a kid who also has as many KR+PR’s TD’s as Christian Kirk. There are always RB's that slip in the draft, and with this year being a really strong year with RB's (Johnson, Chubb, Guice, Michel, Freeman, Harris, Carter, Scott etc) someone slips through the cracks and we open day 3 with selecting him. 4th J.C. Jackson, CB, Maryland Height: 6-1. Weight: 193 We roll the dice on a kid who has 1rst round talent and measurables to add some talent to our CB position. To go along with offseason free agent acquisition of Trumain Johnson from the Rams. Along with our 4th rounder coming back from last year. 5th Danny Johnson, CB, Southern Height: 5-9. Weight: 185 Small school CB who I feel is going to be that next small school CB who develops into a nice NFL CB. 5th Marquis Haynes, DPR, Ole Miss Height: 6-3 . Weight: 229 Adding a DPR who’s built in the Mold of Leonard Little/Elvis Dumerville/Robert Mathis. 6th Richie James, WR, Middle Tennessee Height: 5-9. Weight: 180Antonio Brown Clone….he would not be available this low had he not been hurt this year. 7th Kamryn Pettway FB/RB Aub or Kalen Ballage, RB/FB, Arizona State or Height 6-3 Weight 230lbs Height: 6-0. Weight: 239Both Played RB and FB in college, Ballage reminds me of Ronnie Harmon, while Petteway reminds me of Mike Alstot.....both nice hybrid RB/FB/Hback types that will be an asset blocking, running, catching out of the backfield and on special teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mind Character Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 3 hours ago, TheeRealDeal said: I have said I side with MC on this Minkah debate in the past and I still do, but I would not be totally against the pick if we made it. If Minkah is the pick then Greg Williams had better have a plan in place to use Peppers and Minkah and I believe it can be done with wild success just not how he did it this year with Peppers. Most NFL teams play nickel 70% of the time or more as it is so drafting a stud like Minkah to play a nickel/SS role wouldn't be a bad idea but then we still need to find a true free safety. I believe we have linebacker over load right now with Kirksey, Collins, Schobert and even Burgess would would start on several other teams. In the event of a Minkah pick I believe one of these guys has to go and another one's role would be greatly reduced so that Jabrill Pepeprs could play a LB/SS hybrid role would Minkah plays a NB/SS hybrid role with a true center fielder. Something like: DE Emmanuel Ogbah/Carl Nassib DT Larry Ogunjobi/Caleb Brantley DT Trevon Coley/Danny Shelton DE Myles Garrett/Ade Aruna/Kemoko Turray LB Jamie Collins/Christian Kirksey LB Joe Schobert/James Burgess NB Minkah Fitzpatrick/Briean Boddy-Calhoun SS Jabrill Peppers/Derrick Kindred FS Jessie Bates/Jordan Whitehead CB Trumaine Johnson/Young QB CB Jason McCourty/Howard Wilson 1-1. Sam Darnold 1-4. Minkah Fitzpatrick 2-33. Sony Michel 2-35. Michael Gallup 2-60. Jessie Bates 3-65. Young CB 4. Ade Aruna 4 Kemoko Turray 5 Jordan Whitehead Ridiculously athletic secondary with potential through the roof. Peppers and Minkah can defend the run as well. Howard Wilson is one of the better run defending CBs I remember seeing in a long time and I can't wait for him to get his chance. I've never seen Turray or Aruna....will have to check them out. I can't find much on Jessie Bates either, but that's a name that's buzzing. A lot to like about the Mock, and I definitely love Minkah as a player. However, I'm not sure taking off good personnel like Kirksey or Collins can really be justified unless 1 thinks Minkah is an all-pro game changing player. Ultimately, you're saying that the combo of: LB Jamie CollinsORChristian Kirsey, LB Joe Schobert, NCB/NSS Minkah Fitzpatrick, CB Jason Mccourty, CB Trumaine Johnson, FS Jessie Bates, SS Jabrill Peppers Is Better than the combo of: LB Jamie Collins, LB Joe Schobert, LB Christian Kirksey, CB Jason Mccourty, CB Trumaine Johnson, FS Jessie Bates, SS Jabrill Peppers But the real comparison group should actually be one that considers alternative uses of the # 4 pick like: LB Jamie Collins, LB Joe Schobert, LB Christian Kirksey, CB Joshua Jackson, CB Trumaine Johnson, FS Jessie Bates, SS Jabrill Peppers. To me, the latter option is by far a better option than trying to change or exclude a personnel strength (our LBs) to force fit a really good player into a nickel scheme that doesn't play to our strengths at the time. It makes more sense to pass on Minkah, play 3 LBs and use the # 4 pick to go after a boundary CB1 while acquiring additional draft assets. Sometimes you have to pass on a great player b/c they're not a fit as we would have to pass on 3-4 NT Vita Vae...but the good news is there are impact players available that work for our scheme at a position of need (CB). Really it all boils down to my belief that Minkah is a great SS and nickel player not a FS or CB1...and unfortunately, that doesn't play to our strengths. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OhioG Posted January 15, 2018 Author Share Posted January 15, 2018 I just dont see too many FA CBs hitting the market and no top 5 CB so if we cant build the Jags style defense (2 shut down CBs) I want to go the NYG route 1) Sam Darnold - QB 1) Bradley Chubb - DE Trade up 1) Josh Jackson/Carlton Davis - CB 2) Sony Michel - RB 3) BPA OT 4) BPA FSFree Agency Terrelle Pryor - WRJarvis Landry - WRAJ McCarron - QB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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