Xmad Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 31 minutes ago, PapaShogun said: What? Jim Tomsula ring a bell? One of the worst coaches in NFL history. Not even close mate, he was just the 49ers GM's puppet/scapegoat. Bad coach but nowhere close to worst in NFL history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFlaccoSeagulls Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 21 minutes ago, ET80 said: The irony here is that the only competent QB the Bills had over the past five years is now starting for the Browns. Yeah but you can understand the Bills wanting to move on from Tyrod Taylor. It's not every day you can draft the 8th best QB in the Mountain West conference in the 1st round! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mistakey Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 2 hours ago, soflbillsfan said: Haha Corey Coleman is a problem and browns have standards? You do realize you have Josh Gordon who has been in and out of the league on drug issues for the last 4-5 years. Then you have Antonio Callaway missed 2016 because of sexual assault then 2017 for stealing a credit card to deposit $2k in to his bank account. Landry is a good guy just has some issues on the field with cheap shots and punching his own teammates. Then you are talking about bringing in Dez Bryant the king of all locker room issues. To say coleman is a problem with all this other stuff going around at this position has to be a joke? He had some injury issues but in no way was he a cultural problem on or off the field. This was a move from a GM who is looking to create his own team with his own players, which usually happens with new GMs just like the bills did with Beane. you must have missed thishttps://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2017/06/report_browns_receiver_corey_c.htmlhttp://www.morningjournal.com/general-news/20180321/corey-coleman-led-alleged-assault-man-claims Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigMountainGoat Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 57 minutes ago, ET80 said: The irony here is that the only competent QB the Bills had over the past five years is now starting for the Browns. Tyrod is not a competent QB. He is terrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET80 Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 3 minutes ago, BigMountainGoat said: Tyrod is not a competent QB. He is terrible. I would take him 100x over EJ Manual or Nathan Peterman. Jury is still out on Josh Allen or AJ McCarron, so he's the most competent of the group until proven otherwise. I agree he's not good, but he's better than the list above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigMountainGoat Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 4 minutes ago, ET80 said: I would take him 100x over EJ Manual or Nathan Peterman. Jury is still out on Josh Allen or AJ McCarron, so he's the most competent of the group until proven otherwise. I agree he's not good, but he's better than the list above. He really isn't competent. He is so risk averse he only throws to wide open receivers and his field vision is horrendous. He looks decent on fantasy football stats, that's about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas5737 Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 11 minutes ago, BigMountainGoat said: He really isn't competent. He is so risk averse he only throws to wide open receivers and his field vision is horrendous. He looks decent on fantasy football stats, that's about it. He is also 22-20 as a starter. If he is terrible then his replacement should have a winning record with the Bills this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elky Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 1 hour ago, tyler735 said: Dumb move by the Browns. Gordon/Callaway are still big question marks at this point. Coleman still has flashed potential the past 2 seasons despite the injuries. Should have at least hung on to him until the trade deadline to see if Gordon/Callaway are able to get the job done with Landry, and also see if Coleman could possibly show a bit more on the field to bring his trade value up above a 7th round pick, which is a joke for a guy drafted in the 1st round 2 seasons ago. You don't know if anyone would be willing to trade for him at the deadline though. It speaks volumes about Coleman that they traded him for essentially a bag of Cracker Jack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingOfNewYork Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 Ahh Coleman is one of the guys a particular Browns fan told me was so important and a reason why the Browns were better now and in the future than the Jets. I said he was just "naming names" at the time and this proves it in at least one case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmart128 Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 4 hours ago, ACO said: They clearly just wanted him gone. 7th rounder in 2020?! Wow. Could be a huge steal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaidersAreOne Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 Really like the trade for the Bills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crickett Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 6 minutes ago, Thomas5737 said: He is also 22-20 as a starter. If he is terrible then his replacement should have a winning record with the Bills this year. This doesn't follow for a couple of reasons. Calling Tyrod Taylor terrible doesn't make him the worst in the league. Buffalo had a terrible quarterback in Tyrod Taylor. But they have managed to find a way to downgrade the position. It's like how Cleveland had terrible quarterbacks in Josh McCown and Johnny Manziel, but managed to find a way to downgrade to Robert Griffin III and Cody Kessler and then managed to find away to downgrade again to DeShone Kizer. Just because Kizer was the worst doesn't make RG3, Cody Kessler, Johnny Manziel or Josh McCown good, it just makes them better by comparison. But quarterback isn't the only position the Bills offense downgraded. In fact, without the new addition of Corey Coleman, you could argue the Bills had an across the board degradation in talent with the sole exception of TE, where they stayed the same. Teams can get worse from one year to the next without an appreciable roster change. Players get hurt, don't live up to their prior performances, etc. Just ask the 2017 New York Giants. We have a thread in NFL General asking which playoff contending team will collapse this year. Because playoff contending teams collapse every year. 6 minutes ago, Elky said: You don't know if anyone would be willing to trade for him at the deadline though. It speaks volumes about Coleman that they traded him for essentially a bag of Cracker Jack. It does, but not in the way you think. But it shows the continuation of a trend: The Browns possibly as a response to the management of Sashi Brown, have become a team incapable of getting appropriate value in trades. 2 minutes ago, marshawn lynch said: Could be a huge steal Ehhhhh, decent value given what they gave up for him, but I wouldn't call him a huge steal. It fills a need, giving the Bills arguably their top receiver and a vertical threat the Bills were sorely lacking given the quarterback they just drafted. However, Coleman gives the Bills yet another receiver with questionable hands (how is it possible the all-time leader in college receptions has such bad hands? How does that even happen?), this time with questionable health to boot. It's possible the addition of Coleman bumps Buffalo out of the top spot in terms of worst receiver corps, but they're still at best bottom five. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedTheClock Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 Allen throwing bombs to Coleman could be nice for Buffalo. They don't need a consistent #1 as much as they needed some deep speed. They got that here for virtually nothing. As a Browns fan, I'm annoyed we let Coleman go for essentially nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The BILLievers Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 Tyrod Taylor was a capable starter but he is not a capable passer. He is a bottom 5 QB in terms of passing and anticipation but his legs create boom or bust plays, and he also scrambles a ton to avoid sacks. The Bills and everyone else knows who and what Tyrod Taylor is now. Hence why they wanted to see what the rookie Peterman had last year. Josh Allen is the most capable arm talent and it's not really even close. Getting a speedster on the other side of Kelvin Benjamin is a good idea for Allen's development whenever he takes the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firstdown Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 11 hours ago, SwoleXmad said: You should've lead with that and i wouldn't have read your post. Haha, I know what you mean. But they were just straight stats, nothing that PFF could mess up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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