animaltested Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 2 minutes ago, pwny said: You’re welcome to feel that way, but this story was always a takedown of war, and has always been about how power corrupts not only the rulers, but those around them, and was always leading towards ending with a structure in place that the wheel would be completely destroyed. None of the storytelling earned that conclusion though. Ultimately this was the intended message, but the show runners haphazardly forced the story to that point. People are not upset with the outcome, its how artificial its journey to this point had become. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skywindO2 Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 How did Robert Arryn outgrow being a massive twit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calvert28 Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 3 minutes ago, pwny said: You’re welcome to feel that way, but this story was always a takedown of war, and has always been about how power corrupts not only the rulers, but those around them, and was always leading towards ending with a structure in place that the wheel would be completely destroyed. Except that is nothing like how GRRM writes for the Ice and Fire series. Just go read about Rhoyane, Valaryia, even Azor Ahai if you think he gives out those type of endings. Nothing about his writing suggests real hope for everyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knowledge Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 Show started with House Stark and ended with House Stark It was a fun 8 years 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeeEvans Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 Just now, candyman93 said: I guess Arya hinted going west before. https://mobile.twitter.com/dontestallworth/status/1130272636246921216?s=21 What scene was that? Arya looks high as hell. Definitely dont recall that though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calvert28 Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 7 minutes ago, ramssuperbowl99 said: In interviews he said he knew the ending and it would be different for secondary characters, but largely the same for the main characters. I can't imagine he'd consider Bran a secondary character. Except he wouldn't tell anyone the ending. He didn't tell D&D the ending, so its kind of a pointless to argue that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pwny Posted May 20, 2019 Author Share Posted May 20, 2019 2 minutes ago, Calvert28 said: Except that is nothing like how GRRM writes for the Ice and Fire series. Just go read about Rhoyane, Valaryia, even Azor Ahai if you think he gives out those type of endings. Nothing about his writing suggests real hope for everyone. You mean the guy writing an anti-war series of novels talks about how people in and around war and societies dictated by the outcomes of war are hopelessly lost before turning to another direction? Color me absolutely shocked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PARROTHEAD Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 1 minute ago, Knowledge said: Show started with House Stark and ended with House Stark It was a fun 8 years Started North of the Wall. And ended there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyers0909 Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 GOT Wiki on Nymeria. Quote The Rhoynar once lived in city-states along the Rhoyne River. About a thousand years ago (perhaps 700 years before the Targaryen Conquest), the Rhoynar were on the verge of being conquered by the expanding power of the Valyrian Freehold and its dragons. Defeated at the end of the Rhoynish Wars, Nymeria rallied the survivors and fled Essos altogether, sailing in a refugee fleet said to include ten thousand ships. After much wandering she eventually led her people to Dorne, at the southeastern tip of Westeros. After landing, Nymeria had all of the Rhoynar's 10,000 ships burned, so that none would have second thoughts about staying. At the time, Dorne was divided into many petty kingdoms and had never been unified. Impressed by Nymeria, local king Mors Martell married her and united her forces with his own. Together, they conquered and unified all of Dorne for the first time, reigning from the Martells' seat at Sunspear.[1][2] At some point later, she would marry Davos Dayne.[3] Dorne was the last of the Seven Kingdoms to join the realm; however, it did not join through conquest, but rather through marriage two centuries later.[1] The Dornish revere Nymeria as the founder of their realm, and her descendants in House Martell continued to rule Dorne through the present day. As a result, "Nymeria" actually became a common name in Dorne (comparable to how "Brandon" is a very common name in the North, after their founder, Brandon the Builder). Oberyn Martell - himself a direct descendant of Nymeria, warrior-queen of the Rhoynar - named one of his own bastard daughters Nymeria Sand. Nymeria's fame also spread across Westeros: even young Arya Stark, fascinated with legends about past warrior-queens, chose to name her direwolf "Nymeria". Through the marriage of Myriah Martell to King Daeron II, Nymeria is also an ancestress of House Targaryen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeeEvans Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 So the Dorthraki and Unsullied were all just super chill about Jon killing Dany? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knowledge Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 Just now, PARROTHEAD said: Started North of the Wall. And ended there. Jon looking like the Night King with his zombies stumbling through the forest 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mse326 Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 1 minute ago, LeeEvans said: What scene was that? Arya looks high as hell. Definitely dont recall that though. I think that was the actress in Essos. She was also at her low point and badly injured by the waif, I believe. Also I think she still thought her whole family was dead. Other than that throwaway line, there has been nothing to indicate this was a path she wanted to take, and she certainly is not trained or prepared for it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeeEvans Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 Just now, flyers0909 said: GOT Wiki on Nymeria. Cool. Glad they foreshadowed that really well in the show. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fresh Prince Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 2 minutes ago, LeeEvans said: That's literally how Tyrion pitched it to the council. There is zero character build that makes anyone think he'd be a decent king. I think the fact that he doesn't show any "mad" tendencies, and that he doesn't care about power would help show he wouldnt make any bad decisions. He did after all delegate his king duties to the council of peers we trust. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malfatron Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 6 minutes ago, LeeEvans said: Bran being king because "he knows a bunch of stories" Bran is king because hes a timelord. Tyrion is just skirting arpund that a bit, but i think people got it, and they would be fools not to say Ay, or Bran would make it so they arent at the counsil 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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