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Rockice_8

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7 minutes ago, jrry32 said:

Been stashing Nick Chubb for this day. About damn time.

You really undermined your own argument. Gurley is the centerpiece to the undefeated Rams. Barkley is about the only thing the Giants have going for them right now on offense. If they replace Eli, they're set. Zeke Elliott is the Cowboys offense (and led them to the playoffs as a rookie). And the Jags have looked quite good with Fournette.

Not really though.  Yes they are the best thing they got on offense but what is that doing for their offenses.  They are among the worst in the NFL.  

You seriously think they are set if they replace Eli, lol no chance.  Yes NY must find a QB but it's easier said then done and who knows when that happens.  It could be 4 years before they have their QB in place while wasting away Barkley's prime.  Plus who is going to be blocking for said new QB.  Giants have many more issues then Eli.  

As an LA fan if you didn't land Goff and McVay things would have been way different for Gurley's career.  And let's be honest as good as Gurley is if you swapped him out that offense would still be really good.  It's not Gurley carrying them.  Swap Crowell from my Jets and there will likely be not a huge drop off in the total offense.

What happened to DAL after said rookie year, they lost all their pass catchers and their offense is awful even with Zeke.  If you are drafting in the top 10 you have way bigger issues then RB.

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As a Chubb owner in 2 redrafts OMG yes.  

Fournette owners - DO NOT DESPAIR.  

Why?  Let me explain. 

JAX is in win now mode.  They have a week 9 bye but they have a @PHI game week 8 they can’t win without a run game. And Yeldon is getting beat up. He can’t run 15x a game each week.   This is a pure stop gap move because they are all in for 2018.  

JAX also only has 13M in 2018-19 combined cap room.   So they aren’t going to spend to upgrade so they need a cheap stopgap. 

Hyde’s contract also factors in - as JAX is tight against the cap and faces real problems next year.   They are only on the hook for just under 850k of his 1.5M salary.   CLE assumes ALL the prior bonus $.   And in 2019 - there is no dead money.  None.  A 1.4M roster bonus is due on the 3rd day of the new financial year (March 2019).  Hyde will get cut before then.  

https://overthecap.com/player/carlos-hyde/2996

Hyde is insurance.   When Fournette is healthy Hyde goes to the bench.    If Fournette gets hurt again they can go Hyde-Yeldon as the combo that can last.   With Corey Grant on IR it had to be more than just Yeldon until Fournette returned.  They can’t afford to lose more games if they want the division and a top 2 bye.  This just was their all in move.  But it’s not even close to a signal they are ready to give up on Fournette this year.   And next year they let Hyde walk and hope to collect a comp pick back.   There is no long term move away from Fournette.  Anyone who says that isn’t paying attention to Hyde’s contract and the JAX cap situation.  

The player who is screwed fantasy wise is Hyde.  Yeldon will get all the JAX pass work like Duke did in CLE .   Fournette will send Hyde to the bench once he’s healthy.  This just allows JAX to not abuse Yeldon and let Fournette get healthy for when it really matters - but still win while he’s out.   And long term Hyde’s going to have to find a new home 1 year older.   The owners who should be thrilled are Chubb owners.  Fournette owners, don’t despair.   Pour one out for the Hyde owners.  

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5 minutes ago, Rockice_8 said:

Not really though.  Yes they are the best thing they got on offense but what is that doing for their offenses.  They are among the worst in the NFL.  

You seriously think they are set if they replace Eli, lol no chance.  Yes NY must find a QB but it's easier said then done and who knows when that happens.  It could be 4 years before they have their QB in place while wasting away Barkley's prime.  Plus who is going to be blocking for said new QB.  Giants have many more issues then Eli.  

As an LA fan if you didn't land Goff and McVay things would have been way different for Gurley's career.  And let's be honest as good as Gurley is if you swapped him out that offense would still be really good.  It's not Gurley carrying them.  Swap Crowell from my Jets and there will likely be not a huge drop off in the total offense.

What happened to DAL after said rookie year, they lost all their pass catchers and their offense is awful even with Zeke.  If you are drafting in the top 10 you have way bigger issues then RB.

You're basically arguing that because a HB isn't a QB, it's a wasted pick. It's a bad argument. Joe Thomas played his entire career on a bad Browns team and is a HOF LT. There's only one position in football where one player can radically change a team's outcome. Outside of QB, HB is the most impactful position on offense. However, they don't have the longevity of players at other positions. Regardless, I'd still be utterly thrilled to land a Gurley, Barkley, Elliott, Fournette, etc. in the first round. And if you think swapping Gurley for Crowell's mediocre behind wouldn't fundamentally change our offense, you're nuts. You don't understand our offense at all.

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30 minutes ago, Jakuvious said:

Isn't Duke kind of the passing game specialist anyway?

I dunno, just seems kinda straight forward to me that they should've gone Chubb as the main runner and Duke as the passing down specialist type.

That's what he's best at, yes. But he's improved as a runner over the years as well. He just doesn't get many opportunities to do so.

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51 minutes ago, Jakuvious said:

I still don't understand why Hyde got as many snaps and touches as he did for Cleveland anyway. Duke and Chubb are both blatantly better options.

you realize we still have hue jackson as a head coach right

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2 minutes ago, DawgX said:

That's what he's best at, yes. But he's improved as a runner over the years as well. He just doesn't get many opportunities to do so.

duke johnson is the leading career rusher at miami
duke johnson can run the ball.  no one has given him a real shot.

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1 hour ago, Leader said:

Just checked the JAX stats and Yeldon is averaging over 5 yds per carry - so he's carrying his load - but he might be nicked up as he's questionable for this week:

Yeldon (foot/ankle) returned to a limited practice Thursday. (about 1 day ago)

I loved Jamaal Charles back in the day - he was a wonder to behold on my FF team - but I think his better days are behind him. So if Fornette's out/limited and Yeldon goes down - JAX would have been pretty much out of luck from the RB position. Hence - dropping a 5 to get Hyde.

There's this, but it's mostly that our offense is predicated on having someone be the hammer on runs. At 4.5 yards per carry, Yeldon is running fine. But the offense is built on the premise that our running back is going to beat on LBs all day and wear them out, so that when we're running crossers, they defense is a step slower converging on our receivers. Yeldon and Charles can't do that.

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1 hour ago, pwny said:

There's this, but it's mostly that our offense is predicated on having someone be the hammer on runs. At 4.5 yards per carry, Yeldon is running fine. But the offense is built on the premise that our running back is going to beat on LBs all day and wear them out, so that when we're running crossers, they defense is a step slower converging on our receivers. Yeldon and Charles can't do that.

Agree. Seems to me an admission that Fournette may be further away from being 100% than the team wants to challenge or risk. I dont follow JAX closely at all - so dont know the in's and out's of things over there - the teams right in the mix records-wise (so no panic necessary) and I dont see any other powerhouses in the AFC South at the moment. But they've got to solidify their run first offense - and keep that runner from being Bortles. Last thing they need is for either Bortles to keep running the ball at his current pace - or Yeldon - to get hurt / miss time. Once Fournette comes back (not knowing his injury......) I think Charles will ultimately be the odd man out.

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