AlexGreen#20 Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 9 hours ago, TheOnlyThing said: Here are the stats for 2 of the Packers top OLBs during past 3 seasons: Kyler Fackrell; 1,117 snaps, 14.5 sacks, and $2,200,000 cap hit. Clay Matthews; 1,799 snaps, 16 sacks, and >$40,000,000 cap hit. It is amazing how much hand-wringing goes on over the impending loss of a player who has not been outstanding in any way except salary for several years now. You keep saying this. Show me one examply of hand-wringing in the past 8 weeks? You absolutely can't because there has been none and you're just looking to rip on Matthews because you have an unhealthy obsession. And again, I'll ask. How come Matthews wasn't cut this offseason when it could have been done for free? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacReady Posted December 24, 2018 Author Share Posted December 24, 2018 Updated on the first page. Highest we can pick is 10th. Lowest we can pick is 17th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 1 hour ago, AlexGreen#20 said: And again, I'll ask. How come Matthews wasn't cut this offseason when it could have been done for free? Can I answer this one? It's a pretty easy answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheOnlyThing Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 2 hours ago, AlexGreen#20 said: You keep saying this. Show me one examply of hand-wringing in the past 8 weeks? You absolutely can't because there has been none and you're just looking to rip on Matthews because you have an unhealthy obsession. And again, I'll ask. How come Matthews wasn't cut this offseason when it could have been done for free? Matthews should have been cut this past offseason no doubt about it and he likely was not cut because Gute had to dedicate so much capital to remaking the disastrous CB position he was inherited. Only so much Gute could do in one offseason to overcome the talent deficiencies on the roster that he took over. In any event, while the hand-wringers continue to whine that the Packers are going to miss Clay playing all those snaps at OLB, I am confident Gute will find a way to overcome Clay's absence and put his big salary to better use in 2019. Now, please tell us yet again how under Pettine's scheme how poor Clay just isn't permitted to rush the passer anymore and this is why he only has 3.5 sacks in 2018 (while ignoring Fackrell's 9.5 sacks this year and Clay's failure to get even 8 sacks at OLB at any time since 2012). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexGreen#20 Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 37 minutes ago, CWood21 said: Can I answer this one? It's a pretty easy answer. Thrill me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexGreen#20 Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 2 minutes ago, TheOnlyThing said: Matthews should have been cut this past offseason no doubt about it and he likely was not cut because Gute had to dedicate so much capital to remaking the disastrous CB position he was inherited. Only so much Gute could do in one offseason to overcome the talent deficiencies on the roster that he took over. In any event, while the hand-wringers continue to whine that the Packers are going to miss Clay playing all those snaps at OLB, I am confident Gute will find a way to overcome Clay's absence and put his big salary to better use in 2019. Now, please tell us yet again how under Pettine's scheme how poor Clay just isn't permitted to rush the passer anymore and this is why he only has 3.5 sacks in 2018 (while ignoring Fackrell's 9.5 sacks this year and Clay's failure to get even 8 sacks at OLB at any time since 2012). 1. Cutting Matthews saved 11 million dollars this off-season. You're telling me Gute couldn't have replaced Clay's production with 11 million dollars? That's not a good look. 2. The hand wringers are in your head, but that's okay. You do you. 3. We're 0/1 on Gute managing to do that, but still probably a fair guess. 4. Go read the thread if you're curious and go look at Fackrell's sacks of you think he's a stud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheOnlyThing Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 6 minutes ago, AlexGreen#20 said: Go read the thread if you're curious and go look at Fackrell's sacks of you think he's a stud. Fackrell has 9.5 sacks in 2018, Clay has 3.5. In his previous 4 seasons at OLB, Clay had 7.5, 6.5., 5, and 7.5 sacks. No one is saying Fackrell is a stud (least of all me), that is a figment of your imagination. The same imagination that pretends the only reason Clay is not generating sacks in 2018 is because Pettine's scheme holds him back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexGreen#20 Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 1 minute ago, TheOnlyThing said: Fackrell has 9.5 sacks in 2018, Clay has 3.5. In his previous 4 seasons at OLB, Clay had 7.5, 6.5., 5, and 7.5 sacks. No one is saying Fackrell is a stud (least of all me), that is a figment of your imagination. The same imagination that pretends the only reason Clay is not generating sacks in 2018 is because Pettine's scheme holds him back. Find one example of me saying that Clay is good in the past two years? You're making **** up, like you always are. I've been saying for the past two seasons that Clay is a #3 rusher. I don't even know why I respond to your dumb ***. You won't respond to any of my points, you just parrot the same stupid ****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packerraymond Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 15 minutes ago, AlexGreen#20 said: Find one example of me saying that Clay is good in the past two years? You're making **** up, like you always are. I've been saying for the past two seasons that Clay is a #3 rusher. I don't even know why I respond to your dumb ***. You won't respond to any of my points, you just parrot the same stupid ****. Cool it man. You know you aren't getting anywhere with this one, just let it be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slinky Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 3 hours ago, Pugger said: Jaire is the real deal but he wasn't in TJ Watt's class. You right. Complete brain fart on my end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazrimiv Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 18 hours ago, CWood21 said: I'd make the argument that if they both hit their ceilings, King is exponentially more valuable. Justin Harrell also would have been exponentially more valuable had he hit hit ceiling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 7 hours ago, AlexGreen#20 said: 1. Cutting Matthews saved 11 million dollars this off-season. You're telling me Gute couldn't have replaced Clay's production with 11 million dollars? That's not a good look. 2. The hand wringers are in your head, but that's okay. You do you. 3. We're 0/1 on Gute managing to do that, but still probably a fair guess. 4. Go read the thread if you're curious and go look at Fackrell's sacks of you think he's a stud. If Ted did all these same things this dude would be in tears wanting him fired. We don't need to dispute his points anymore lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 31 minutes ago, Mazrimiv said: Justin Harrell also would have been exponentially more valuable had he hit hit ceiling. No doubt. But I'm not in the business of predicting injuries. If you can somehow figure out whose going to get injured and who won't, you're going to make a crap ton of money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 39 minutes ago, Norm said: If Ted did all these same things this dude Wood be in tears wanting him fired. We don't need to dispute his points anymore lol Yeah, the ignore list is Sooper easy. That guy should be in everyone's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 8 minutes ago, incognito_man said: Yeah, the ignore list is Sooper easy. That guy should be in everyone's. I Wood use it but I'm not smart enough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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