eagles18 Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 3 hours ago, ILoveTheVikings said: No way. He is best used as a backup. He goes bonkers when he has to come in for an injured starter. How do we know tho. When he’s not coached by Jeff fisher, he’s done a great job Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BAConrad Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 12 hours ago, eagles18 said: How do we know tho. When he’s not coached by Jeff fisher, he’s done a great job How do we know..? Because we've seen him play many games as the starting QB (the first 2 games of the season, 2014 with Chip Kelly following his glorious 2013 run when he came in for Vick) We literally have seen this from Foles multiple times now. The guys a legendary backup QB, and will continue to be one if he is willing to stay where he belongs in Philly. He isnt best when he's the true number one. We need to retain BDN at all costs. He is at his best here as Carson's backup where he's always gonna be revered and loved, and as much as I hope I'm wrong, backing up a guy who is likely going to miss more games than the average starter. On a side note, Nick's status as a backup and underdog is why I believe Doug seems to coach so much better when Foles is in.....Whether he means to or not, I think because he was literally a backup himself for so long IN PHILLY, that he sort of favors Nick or at least is better coaching him because he can completely relate to his situation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagles18 Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 21 minutes ago, BAConrad said: How do we know..? Because we've seen him play many games as the starting QB (the first 2 games of the season, 2014 with Chip Kelly following his glorious 2013 run when he came in for Vick) We literally have seen this from Foles multiple times now. The guys a legendary backup QB, and will continue to be one if he is willing to stay where he belongs in Philly. He isnt best when he's the true number one. We need to retain BDN at all costs. He is at his best here as Carson's backup where he's always gonna be revered and loved, and as much as I hope I'm wrong, backing up a guy who is likely going to miss more games than the average starter. On a side note, Nick's status as a backup and underdog is why I believe Doug seems to coach so much better when Foles is in.....Whether he means to or not, I think because he was literally a backup himself for so long IN PHILLY, that he sort of favors Nick or at least is better coaching him because he can completely relate to his situation in 2014 he was 6-2 as the starter before going down. Thats pretty good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedTheClock Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 23 hours ago, Art_Vandalay said: What can they get for Wentz... Well for starters, the Jaguars top 10 pick in 2019 and 2020 1st rounder. And then probably a good player (Leon Jacobs?) and some more picks ('19 3rd, '20 3rd) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art_Vandalay Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 Justin Herbert announced he's staying in college, making this QB class even more underwhelming. The next few weeks are going to be interesting. If Foles stinks it up this week and Philly doesn't make the postseason, he'll for sure be somewhere else next year. But if he takes Philly to the divisional round this year (I don't see any way they beat the Saints in NO) then it'll be interesting. Wentz would bring in more compensation but there would be a big market for both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thelonebillsfan Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 Trading Wentz would be franchise cripplingly stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slateman Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 Washington DC Snyder will do it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtyDez Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 2 hours ago, Thelonebillsfan said: Trading Wentz would be franchise cripplingly stupid. Would be the Lakers trading Kobe because they have Big Shot Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrry32 Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 On 12/25/2018 at 12:14 AM, Jaguarfan said: Foles is just a younger (slightly better?) Fitzmagic. High highs and low lows, perhaps the best imaginable backup, but in reality not a guy you want for 16 games. He'll be starting somewhere desperate next year tho, very well could be my own team. This is a great comparison. Agreed. On 12/25/2018 at 9:29 AM, Danger said: Yes, but that's not the fault of Wentz. The team needs to look themselves in the mirror and actually give a damn when Wentz is in there. Wentz offers so much more than Foles, if the team actually tried as hard for Wentz as they did for Foles, well, look at how they did last season before Wentz went down. Proof is in the pudding. No one expected Wentz to be a savior in his 2nd season so they were actually still giving it their all. This isn't on Wentz, nor is it on Foles. This is on the rest of the team to do their damn job. And we need to fire Jim Schwartz. Dude is a bum. Schwartz went from genius to bum extremely quickly. 5 hours ago, BAConrad said: How do we know..? Because we've seen him play many games as the starting QB (the first 2 games of the season, 2014 with Chip Kelly following his glorious 2013 run when he came in for Vick) We literally have seen this from Foles multiple times now. The guys a legendary backup QB, and will continue to be one if he is willing to stay where he belongs in Philly. He isnt best when he's the true number one. We need to retain BDN at all costs. He is at his best here as Carson's backup where he's always gonna be revered and loved, and as much as I hope I'm wrong, backing up a guy who is likely going to miss more games than the average starter. On a side note, Nick's status as a backup and underdog is why I believe Doug seems to coach so much better when Foles is in.....Whether he means to or not, I think because he was literally a backup himself for so long IN PHILLY, that he sort of favors Nick or at least is better coaching him because he can completely relate to his situation Yeah, I recall Philly fans being fed up with Nick when the Fisher trade went down. In his second year under Kelly, he had turned into a turnover machine. The narrative that he has always been good when not coached by Fisher is revisionist history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nabbs4u Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 5 hours ago, Thelonebillsfan said: Trading Wentz would be franchise cripplingly stupid. It's only Franchise Crippling Stupid Fans suggesting such things. Just saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MightyMouse07 Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 2 hours ago, DirtyDez said: Would be the Lakers trading Kobe because they have Big Shot Bob Comparing Wentz to Kobe 😂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
showtime Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 2 hours ago, DirtyDez said: Would be the Lakers trading Kobe because they have Big Shot Bob This is nothing like that. Robert Horry was a role player and made some big shots throughout his career. Nick Foles had arguably the greatest postseason run ever last year and he'll be a big piece in the Eagles reaching the postseason this year if they make it. Foles has carried a HEAVY load last season and this season when he has played. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 2 hours ago, jrry32 said: Schwartz went from genius to bum extremely quickly. Honestly it became evident during last year's Super Bowl. Our defense is not good unless our front 4 alone can get pressure, if they fail to do so, Jim Schwartz can't scheme his way out of a paper bag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtyDez Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 24 minutes ago, showtime said: This is nothing like that. Robert Horry was a role player and made some big shots throughout his career. Nick Foles had arguably the greatest postseason run ever last year and he'll be a big piece in the Eagles reaching the postseason this year if they make it. Foles has carried a HEAVY load last season and this season when he has played. You are correct but ppl in here legitimately saying they should trade the franchise and role with Foles because he’s clutch. I love Nick but they can’t even begin to go there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
showtime Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 7 minutes ago, DirtyDez said: You are correct but ppl in here legitimately saying they should trade the franchise and role with Foles because he’s clutch. I love Nick but they can’t even begin to go there. But here's the thing about Carson Wentz. He was amazing last year and then got hurt. He has been really good/pretty good this season, but he clearly has not been near the level he was at prior to his injury. It's tricky because sometimes when young QB's get hurt, you can't just assume they'll bounce back. Look at Derek Carr, for example. He hasn't been anywhere near his MVP caliber type season since his injury. And now, Wentz is obviously hurt AGAIN and not playing. Is this really someone you want to lock up with a huge mega deal? Probably, but some people are starting to become skeptical and you can't really blame them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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