Rich7sena Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 4 minutes ago, roi34 said: I'm not saying nothing is known from draft picks.. but let's also not pretend there is a sure thing. Some sure things are busts. just like some 5th rounders are stars. Either way those other Lbs we sign will most likely get 5 mill or so plus more years than irvin has left. They're also younger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humble_Beast Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 I say draft Edmunds... not saying it will make our defense will have alot of potential Our dline- would have all world Mack, give Edwards one more year to develop, invest in DTs in free agency... we already have alot of youth our lbs- we could have a potential Brian Urlacher added to our LB unit.... true difference maker to make our team speed go up. surround by two solid vets in Bowman and Irvin who are still playing at a high level. gives us a little time to find replacement dbs- have invest high picks and we need to let them develop Joseph, Conely, Obi... cut Sean Smith and upgrade one of the corner spots..... on paper that defense has alot of potential! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big_palooka Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 On 2/11/2018 at 4:47 PM, raidr4life said: Or draft Rashaan Evans in the 2nd play him at SLB. I like Hamilton later too. He's really flying under the radar thus far. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolni Posted March 18, 2018 Author Share Posted March 18, 2018 After these FA signings and coach information I thought to look over the defensive roster. Base defense: LDE-Khalil Mack, Tank Carradine Mack is an All-Pro option here and I feel good about Tank as a rotational guy at DE in base NT-Justin Ellis, Darius Latham Ellis is a quality starter in base and Latham could be his back up...I can see another bigger NT type being brouht in via draft (late) or UDFA DT-Mario Edwards Jr., Treyvon Hester, Jihad Ward, Eddie Vanderdoes (PUP) Edwards get the first chance here, Ward is on his last leg and Eddie might start the year on PUP. I can see a veteran addition like Tom Johnson or Clinton McDonald easily here. RDE-Bruce Irvin, Tank Carradine, Shilique Calhoun/James Cowser I like Bruce here as the starter and I can see Tank being in a heavy rotation with him on run downs...Calhoun is on his last leg, just like Cowser IMO...they could battle out the 4th DE spot, but I can also see a mid rounder come in a beat both of them. SLB: Tahir Whitehead, Maquel Lee, Kyle Wilber Tahir struggled at MLB, but was pretty solid at OLB for the Lions, however he is not a cvoer secialist, so this SLB spot seems like a good fit. Lee could be his back up, but also could be the MLB back up. Wilber is a ST player, but you have to put him on the DC as well MLB: ?, Marquel Lee We definately have a hole at MLB. Lee could play there some, but would not be a strong option going into the season. James could slide in as well, but ideally we bring back Bowman or draft 1 early. WLB: Cory James, Nichlas Morrow This should be a solid camp battle IMO. If we find a solid option at MLB these two should be fine. The wildcard could be a R.Smith pick, where Smith plays WLB and James slides inside to MLB... CB1: Rashaad Melvin, Shareece Wrigth Melvin is here to start on the outside. Wright could aim for the NCB role, but in base would be just depth. CB2: Gareon Conley, Dexter McDonald Conley should grab the other starting spot and run with it. Dexter could be depth. SS: Karl Joseph, Obi Melifonwu I see Karl here in base with Obi as his back up, however I can see Karl and Obi together on run downs easily...I can aso see Obi ahead of Karl against TEs. FS: Marcus Gilchrist, Shalom Luani Marcus could step in here as a deep cover guy and could be in high rtation with Obi based on run/pass downs So as you can see the only glaring hole is at MLB for the base package. Nickel defense: LDE-Khalil Mack, Tank Carradine Same as base DT1-Mario Edwards Jr., Tank Carradine, Jihad Ward I can see a Mario-Tank rotation, Jihad is on his last leg as I said earlier DT2-Treyvon Hester, Darius Latham, Eddie Vanderdoes (PUP) Latham could play some at least till Eddie is ready...we could use some help here for sure... RDE-Bruce Irvin, Shilique Calhoun, James Cowser Bruce is the lock here and the young ones will have to show up. I expect rookie competition for them. LB1-Tahir Whitehead, Marquel Lee Tahir is not a cover guy, so ideally we have an upgrade over him once we have our base MLB. LB2-Cory James, Nichlas Morrow Same as WLB in base... CB1-Rashaad Melvin, Dexter McDonald Similar to base CB2-Gareon Conley, Antonio Hamilton Similar to base CB3-Shareece Wright, Obi Melifonwu Wright on WRs, Obi on TEs SS-Karl Joseph, Obi Melifonwu Same as base FS-Marcus Gilchrist, Shalom Luani Same as base We need DT help, we need a cover LB big time and we need a rookie CB, who can give Wright a run for that NCB role. So all in all we need a MLB/cover LB, a CB who can play NCB and outside CB, DE depth and we need interior pass rusher help. With Eddie Vanderdoes on PUP we might go after a veteran like Tom Johnson or Clinton McDonald here as I said before, so we will have the opportunity to see what we have in Mario, Hester, Eddie (Ward) and invest elswhere in the draft. If Bowman is back I would still go after a cover LB. So to me 1 DT and Bowman should arrive via FA and then CB early, LB middle, DE-, NT- and CB depth later via draft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver&Black88 Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 Pretty spot on overall but you have to think Morrow will be one of our 2 Nickel LBs for sure. Also think ideally KJ gets the nod at FS with Obi at SS. Gilchrist being the 3rd safety who can fill either spot when KJ/Obi needs rest or needs benching. Also you didn't mention Erik Harris at S....but he's only a STer so no worries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich7sena Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 (edited) I just don't see Irvin playing in base if Gruden was concerned about his snap count. Quote “I like Bruce Irvin,” Gruden said. “I know Bruce Irvin. I like him because he plays. If you look at playtime, the amount of percentage of snaps, he’s out there all the time. He played through a back problem early in the season.” I think it's more likely we'll see Irvin reduced to a long down role. I don't even think he'll be in 100% of the time in nickel. I expect Carradine and Mack to start at end: Base Nickel DE: Carradine DT: Edwards DT: Ellis DE: Mack SLB: Corey James WLB: Tahir Whitehead CB: Gareon Conley CB: Rashaan Melvin SCB: Shareece Wright SS: Obi Melifonwu FS: Karl Joseph Rush Nickel DE: Irvin DT: Carradine DT: Edwards DE: Mack Edited March 18, 2018 by Rich7sena Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dessie Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Rich7sena said: I just don't see Irvin playing in base if Gruden was concerned about his snap count. I think it's more likely we'll see Irvin reduced to a long down role. I don't even think he'll be in 100% of the time in nickel. I expect Carradine and Mack to start at end: Base Nickel DE: Carradine DT: Edwards DT: Ellis DE: Mack SLB: Corey James WLB: Tahir Whitehead CB: Gareon Conley CB: Rashaan Melvin SCB: Shareece Wright SS: Obi Melifonwu FS: Karl Joseph Rush Nickel DE: Irvin DT: Carradine DT: Edwards DE: Mack That’s basically what a few of us have been saying for a while now. Edited March 18, 2018 by Dessie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich7sena Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 10 minutes ago, Dessie said: That’s basically what a few of us have been saying for a while now. It's also why I thought he'd be a cut or trade. If it's true that he's going to be a part time player, then he shouldn't be earning over $8 million a year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolni Posted March 19, 2018 Author Share Posted March 19, 2018 I think Bruce will be the starter, but will rotate a lot with Tank, especially on early downs. You don't pay 8M for a nickel rusher...he will play in base a good amount too IMO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darbsk Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 Though I like Irvin and think he's a good player, at base DE I'm worried he's going to get mauled. I can see him being used a lot in Nickel formations and if that is the case he'd probably be on the field more than the supposed 'base' DE but for me, even though he plays with decent leverage I think he'll split time with a stouter end. A guy I love in the draft is Bradley Chubb and he could be the perfect fit at RDE opposite Mack - though a lot has to fall our way to make that happen but that would be my #1 option! The other thought I've had is that if we draft a guy like Payne or Vea who should both theoretically be there at #10 then we'd have a couple of really big, stout defenders in the middle and may be able to get away with Irvin at base end. If we end up going with a lighter UT or with a guy like Hester or Ward in there next to Ellis we would seem to be quite flimsy. Morrow and James have both shown promise to me and I liked the way Morrow in particular has shadowed TE's and REs out the backfield and have to give him the edge there especially if Whitehead is at SLB which is probably where he projects best in our scheme. This of course is dependant on the MLB situation.......... I like the Gilchrist signing and he could factor in at Nickel CB some also if he's fully back to 100%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronjon1990 Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 Just a thought, not sure if anyone else has asked. If Gilchrist and Joseph both prove capable, is Obi a good enough tackler to move to Nickel LB on passing downs? I feel like he's got adequate size and could be more of a weapon there than plugging a true LB with lesser coverage skills and maximize who we have available. I feel like we're actually fairly deep at safety- not spectacular, but definitely serviceable- and Obi would be my most likely candidate to move around the field. Or no? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oakdb36 Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 7 hours ago, Rolni said: I think Bruce will be the starter, but will rotate a lot with Tank, especially on early downs. You don't pay 8M for a nickel rusher...he will play in base a good amount too IMO Imo, Irvin will only play in the base as Mack's backup. And he'll be the 1st team RE in the nickel (every nickel package like he was for the last 2 seasons). So he'll play less snaps than last year but still around 70%. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dessie Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 3 hours ago, oakdb36 said: Imo, Irvin will only play in the base as Mack's backup. And he'll be the 1st team RE in the nickel (every nickel package like he was for the last 2 seasons). So he'll play less snaps than last year but still around 70%. This is how I see it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolni Posted March 20, 2018 Author Share Posted March 20, 2018 We will see...I think he will be named starter, because of his name and price tag. With that said Tank or someone else will play a lot of his snaps in base on early downs... This is not far from your standpoint IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolni Posted March 27, 2018 Author Share Posted March 27, 2018 Jon Gruden on Khalil Mack: “Obviously, we’ve got to get him signed somehow.” If Raiders can have elite play at interior pass rusher, “you’ll see the best of this guy.” Called on Mario Edwards Jr. to be that man to complement Mack. So Edwards is a DT I guess. Mack-Jelly-Edwards-Irvin/Tank seems to be the base Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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