Geezy Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 need to come away from FA with one of Payne, Hargrave or Tomlinson. Im also going in on a top end OG. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 On 2/16/2023 at 12:49 PM, Darbsk said: I thought he’s been very underwhelming hasn’t he? Have to be honest, when I watched the Ravens this year I didn’t really notice him. The vast majority of first round LBs have been underwhelming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 On 2/16/2023 at 2:04 PM, Geezy said: need to come away from FA with one of Payne, Hargrave or Tomlinson. Im also going in on a top end OG. Dalvin Tomlinson or DreMont Jones would be my preferred crown jewel of the free agent class. Followed by Byron Murphy, Drue Tranquill, and Jabrill Peppers. Crosby - Billings - Tomlinson - Jones Tranquill - Deablo Murphy - Hobbs - Ya Sin Moehrig - Peppers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darbsk Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 9 hours ago, NYRaider said: The vast majority of first round LBs have been underwhelming. Yep, it’s why I really don’t like drafting LBs in the first. RBs, TEs, Strong Safeties and Guards too. There are the exceptions - your boy Jacobs has proven to be one - but I would be looking at more valuable position unless there is an exceptional guy there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 5 minutes ago, Darbsk said: Yep, it’s why I really don’t like drafting LBs in the first. RBs, TEs, Strong Safeties and Guards too. There are the exceptions - your boy Jacobs has proven to be one - but I would be looking at more valuable position unless there is an exceptional guy there. I think the main reason a lot of LBs don't translate well is because they're extremely dependent on the DL to keep them clean to make plays. Most of the finesse "modern" LBs that have been drafted early have flopped. How do you define "valuable player" RB's are basically always the league leaders in yards from scrimmage and TD's scored. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darbsk Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 4 minutes ago, NYRaider said: I think the main reason a lot of LBs don't translate well is because they're extremely dependent on the DL to keep them clean to make plays. Most of the finesse "modern" LBs that have been drafted early have flopped. How do you define "valuable player" RB's are basically always the league leaders in yards from scrimmage and TD's scored. Exactly, the LBs depend upon the DLine which basically makes them more valuable usually. There are exceptions to the rule. Jacobs proved he was not beholden to the Oline and in those circumstances that is valuable, those guys are worth first round consideration. Guys that can perform and are not over reliant on another position would be a valuable player. QB, OT, DT, DE, CB, FS are to me the most ‘valuable’ positions. Of course, it’s wrong to be too rigid as a great WR can open up the rest of the offence for example. Also, CB and FS can look better with great DLine so there’s nuances everywhere. I guess I’d rather have a Good DT than an all pro OG basically. I wouldn’t write a law in stone but just use it as a guide if I have two guys I think are similarly talented, I go with the more valuable position to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 1 minute ago, Darbsk said: Exactly, the LBs depend upon the DLine which basically makes them more valuable usually. There are exceptions to the rule. Jacobs proved he was not beholden to the Oline and in those circumstances that is valuable, those guys are worth first round consideration. Guys that can perform and are not over reliant on another position would be a valuable player. QB, OT, DT, DE, CB, FS are to me the most ‘valuable’ positions. Of course, it’s wrong to be too rigid as a great WR can open up the rest of the offence for example. Also, CB and FS can look better with great DLine so there’s nuances everywhere. I guess I’d rather have a Good DT than an all pro OG basically. I wouldn’t write a law in stone but just use it as a guide if I have two guys I think are similarly talented, I go with the more valuable position to me. QB is probably the most "dependent" position in all of sports though, a lot of times they live and die based on what their teammates do. To me the premium positions are QB, OT, DE, CB, and WR. It's a passing league now and you have to be able to throw the ball / stop teams from throwing the ball to win at a high level. I remember a couple of years ago there were debates about if WR's provided good value as FRPs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dessie Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 10 hours ago, NYRaider said: The vast majority of first round LBs have been underwhelming. @NCOUGHMAN? 😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCOUGHMAN Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 16 hours ago, Dessie said: @NCOUGHMAN? 😉 🍻 lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted February 26, 2023 Share Posted February 26, 2023 Give me some value signings this offseason: • Byron Murphy, CB • Drue Tranquill, LB • Chuck Clark, S • Logan Ryan, S/NCB None of those 4 will break the bank and would all step into significant roles for us from day one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 All we've added is Epps, Willis, Johnson (S), and Spillane. Defense is probably going to be the worst unit in the NFL. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 (edited) DE - Jones | Koonce DT - Nichols | Tillery | M Butler NT - Farrell | A Butler | Jenkins DE - Crosby | Willis LB - Deablo | Masterson LB - Spillane | Butler CB - Faycon | Long CB - Shelley | Webb CB - Hobbs | Amik SS - Epps | Teamer FS - Moehrig | Palo-Malo Looks garbage lol Edited March 27, 2023 by NYRaider 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronjon1990 Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 2 hours ago, NYRaider said: DE - Jones | Koonce DT - Nichols | Tillery | M Butler NT - Farrell | A Butler | Jenkins DE - Crosby | Koonce LB - Deablo | Masterson LB - Spillane | Butler CB - Faycon | Long CB - Shelley | Webb CB - Hobbs | Amik SS - Epps | Teamer FS - Moehrig | Palo-Malo Looks garbage lol 🤮 Horrible. But, hey, we have like 20 WRs and RBs! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 2 hours ago, ronjon1990 said: 🤮 Horrible. But, hey, we have like 20 WRs and RBs! Still unreal to me how little we've invested into the defense this offseason. Epps, Spillane, and a bunch of random CB's on minimum deals isn't going to get it done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 Lost: Denzel Perryman, Rock Ya Sin, Duron Harmon, Andrew Billings, Jayon Brown, Clelin Ferrell Gained: Marcus Epps, Robert Spillane, Brandon Facyson, David Long, Jaquan Johnson, Duke Shelley, Jordan Willis, John Jenkins Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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