PossibleCabbage Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 2 minutes ago, JaireAlex said: We gave NO the pass rusher and took CB instead I feel that's 100% "they liked Davenport much more than we did". Don't take a guy you don't like just because of his position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Penske Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 1 hour ago, JaireAlex said: Not entirely We gave N.O. the passrusher and took CB instead. The simple facts Don't bear this out. What the facts tell you are that Gutey literally went to the podium after the draft last year said he didn’t like the EDGE class in 2018 and thought it was a weak year for Edge. And I’m glad he went that route and got Jaire plus a 1st for what he likely knew would be a better edge class and deeper overall draft this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deathstar Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 2 hours ago, Packers Select said: With Sternberger coming in on a visit, I'm not sure what to think about him. I'd be able to live with any pick after 44, but hope there isn't a run scenario that causes a trade up (See Richard Rodgers). A lot of Witten and Kelce to his game. Has Witten's stick at the top of the route, and Kelce's versatility with lining up all over the field effectively. Also appears to be sandwiched in between those two guys athletically. Thoughts? I'm sure Mac would have thumped the table for this guy based off the amount of routes he ran in the flat lol. I don’t think he’s on our board before the fourth because of his utterly average athleticism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leader Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 8 minutes ago, deathstar said: I don’t think he’s on our board before the fourth because of his utterly average athleticism. I kinda like him.....but recognize highlight reels are highlight reels. TDN has him ranked at their 4th best TE and 49th overall prospect. He's not gonna give you much in the way of blocking, but I think his receiving skills are pretty good. Plus, his being a "later talent" we can snag some positions I want more. TDN: BEST TRAIT - Versatility as Receiver WORST TRAIT - Contact Power as Blocker RED FLAGS - None What a journey Sternberger has had to this point. After not producing in two seasons at Kansas, Sternberger spent a season in the JUCO ranks before becoming a star in the SEC last season. Sternberger's smooth mobility, athleticism, ability to create after the catch, hands and ball skills make him an exciting receiving option. He is a true seam-busting threat that will stress defenses in the middle of the field that has room to grow as a route runner but the traits are all present for him to develop. While he isn't a standout blocker, his technique and effort serves as a strong foundation to improve if he gets stronger and improves angles in space. By Year 2/3, Sternberger can be a dynamic, versatile and productive starter for an NFL offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 4 hours ago, JaireAlex said: I think those were obvious picks. ......but there wasn't any connection. It just seemed BPA at the end of a tier. Perry was still the right pick imo. His contract was the mistake. Datone was a mistake that they shouldn't have made. He made some comment in his rookie training camp and I knew he would bust. Still, he wasn't horrible. Worthy was a bad pick. IIRC we moved up for Reyes and he was the other guy. What happens when picking at the bottom. Jones and Worthy would've been far better with better teams. Dom's experimental phase from 2011-2014 was a complete and utter failure and ruined the potential of many defensive players who were picked... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cannondale Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 4 hours ago, JaireAlex said: I think those were obvious picks. ......but there wasn't any connection. It just seemed BPA at the end of a tier. Perry was still the right pick imo. His contract was the mistake. Datone was a mistake that they shouldn't have made. He made some comment in his rookie training camp and I knew he would bust. Still, he wasn't horrible. Worthy was a bad pick. IIRC we moved up for Reyes and he was the other guy. What happens when picking at the bottom. I hated the Perry pick. Confirmed after one of the first things he said was his preference of playing the 4-3. Other guys talked about (by fans) that year were Harrison Smith, Shea McClelin, Courtney Upshaw, Bobby Wagner IIRC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaireAlex Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 1 minute ago, cannondale said: I hated the Perry pick. Confirmed after one of the first things he said was his preference of playing the 4-3. Other guys talked about that year were Harrison Smith, Shea McClelin, Courtney Upshaw, Bobby Wagner IIRC. How many headaches saved if we had grabbed Harrison! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
packfanfb Posted March 31, 2019 Author Share Posted March 31, 2019 2 minutes ago, JaireAlex said: How many headaches saved if we had grabbed Harrison! Capers probably would have played him at CB anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 I remember people on several forums saying that Bobby Wagner was too small to play in a 3-4. I'm going to beat the drum over-n-over on this one: Dom Capers ruined this team from 2011 on; we should've fired him after the playoff loss to the Giants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 Perry was a great pick IMO. He tested off the charts. He was a ridiculously explosive athlete. He showed his potential on occasion but was stiff and tightly wound and prone to injury so he never hit it yet. His style will mature well though. Could be a guy that has a nice career yet if he takes care of himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Penske Posted April 1, 2019 Share Posted April 1, 2019 1 hour ago, incognito_man said: Perry was a great pick IMO. He tested off the charts. He was a ridiculously explosive athlete. He showed his potential on occasion but was stiff and tightly wound and prone to injury so he never hit it yet. His style will mature well though. Could be a guy that has a nice career yet if he takes care of himself. Eh, I have no problem with the pick but I think he’s just a guy who has bad genes when it comes to being durable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacman5252 Posted April 1, 2019 Share Posted April 1, 2019 Perry was a pretty good pick. He played the run well and had 10 sack potential. For a late first edge, that’s good. It’s too bad his body sucked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dubz41 Posted April 1, 2019 Share Posted April 1, 2019 7 hours ago, JaireAlex said: Not entirely We gave N.O. the passrusher and took CB instead. The simple facts Don't bear this out. We took King and passed on Watt. That's literally two drafts in a row. I think the right edge falls to us, we grab him but we went FA instead. And I had kinda come to the same conclusion myself. Unless you get "your guy" in the draft, FA may be a smarter place to get edge. So much draft capital is blown on risky high picks. Those are pics that can be spent on safer premium prospects. While edge is most valued, it's also a very high risk. And the truth is some teams like certain body types more than others. Some avoid pass rush specialists at premium. I was actually upset we passed on Watt and have a hard time buying the meds excuse because the Steelers passed Watt and had failed Lacey. Anyways, I am very firm on passing on risky edge esp when the Packers have many holes to fill. and are rebuilding First bolded: Two different GMs. C'mon, you've admitted you didn't even follow the draft last year in other posts. There is NO pattern here. Second bolded: FA is no way to continue to acquire Edge players. We had to over pay for two second tier pass rushers this year. I believe they are hoping that even one of them turns out good. I like the boldness of the move, but we over paid. Lucky for us the contracts are really two year deals that we can get out of if we have to. We should definitely NOT go safe with the #12 pick, we should go with the high ceiling candidate. When you have two first round picks you need to risk that 'greatness' candidate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaireAlex Posted April 1, 2019 Share Posted April 1, 2019 8 hours ago, Dubz41 said: First bolded: Two different GMs. C'mon, you've admitted you didn't even follow the draft last year in other posts. There is NO pattern here. Second bolded: FA is no way to continue to acquire Edge players. We had to over pay for two second tier pass rushers this year. I believe they are hoping that even one of them turns out good. I like the boldness of the move, but we over paid. Lucky for us the contracts are really two year deals that we can get out of if we have to. We should definitely NOT go safe with the #12 pick, we should go with the high ceiling candidate. When you have two first round picks you need to risk that 'greatness' candidate. My response was only to HAVING to take edge guys. CB is as or more important still. I feel like the Pack never takes "risky" candidates. Rarely at least. CMIII had that elite get off and qualities I don't see on this class. I definitely can see Sweat, Ferrell and Ferguson being in play at the right round and price. They brought in Sweat: so they are at least looking there and would be foolish to pass on a guy they really like. There are a ton to choose from, just depends what they are looking for. Pettine is not Dom. TT moved up for CMIII because he was Caper's "guy". I don't see someone who is Pettine's "guy." Harry can be that elite risk candidate. He seems a very non-risky candidate with untapped potential. But he may be slotted at 30 or 20. Total Packer WR profile who has the drive to be great imo. Their "risks" are guys like Jordy, Collins, Jennings, etc. Guys they do a lot of homework on and feel they know what they can mold. Only perceived risks. That's not how the Packers roll in the draft. Randall was a "risk". He was miscast only. They take moderate risk only and are very big on character ( love of the game, heart, , drive, locker room, and also off field) -- bigger than most teams here and they need to replace Jordy, Clay, Cobb and James in that locker. You are right that FA is not preferable. Also they don't want to repeat Datone and Perry. Those were moderate risks. GB is a very risk adverse FO. They do very solid scouting and smart player picks -- why they have more draftees playing than any team. Few are as good. None better. Drafting low, trying to force fits has killed them imo. As well as some poor contract decisions and bad injuries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leader Posted April 1, 2019 Share Posted April 1, 2019 1 hour ago, JaireAlex said: GB is a very risk adverse FO. They do very solid scouting and smart player picks....... Shhhhhhhhh........ Quiet......can you hear it? It's very low.....but it's there..... Can you hear it? It's almost a whisper......Burns........Burns........Burns.......Burns.................... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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