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[Fresh Prince]

Mandy Rose released from WWE for apparently posting explicit photos online.

[bcb1213]

42 minutes ago, Fresh Prince said:

Mandy Rose released from WWE for apparently posting explicit photos online.

her subscription service numbers are about to go through the roof with the news...lol

[Deadpulse]

1 hour ago, Fresh Prince said:

Mandy Rose released from WWE for apparently posting explicit photos online.

her boobs were underwater. It's dumb dumb dumb dumb 

[Fresh Prince]

6 minutes ago, Deadpulse said:

her boobs were underwater. It's dumb dumb dumb dumb 

Base on the photo my friend sent me, she posts clear nipple shots. WWE wasn’t going to allow that.

[OkeyDoke21]

7 minutes ago, Deadpulse said:

her boobs were underwater. It's dumb dumb dumb dumb 

That was when it got their attention months ago, and they supposedly warned her about it.  She's done a good bit more since then.  It feels intentional, on her part.  

[Dr LBC]

11 hours ago, OkeyDoke21 said:

That was when it got their attention months ago, and they supposedly warned her about it.  She's done a good bit more since then.  It feels intentional, on her part.  

I tend to agree, a little.  Granted, I'm still waiting (because it is eventually going to happen) for one of the major promotions to literally work the dirt sheets to feed them false bits of a story to throw off fans and add flair to a storyline.  But I don't think this is it, even if it could work very well as a means to elevate Mandy back to the main roster.

That said, if she goes back up... she's not going to maintain the status she's held in NXT.  Haytch has been a bigger proponent of certain rebuilt/returned women than Mandy (who had the feel of someone put in NXT to rebuild by Vince - for obvious reasons - than Hunter): Tegan, Shayna, Dakota and Io, Racquel...

I don't want to take anything away from Mandy and the improvements she made in her rebuild, but throw her in with one of the women who can flat out GO and she's not hanging, and I doubt she's going to "stand and take it stiff" the way several who either grew up fans (Shayna, Tegan, Dakota, Bayley) or those who grew up in the industry (Racquel, Io) have already shown they will.

[OkeyDoke21]

On 12/15/2022 at 3:04 AM, Dr LBC said:

I tend to agree, a little.  Granted, I'm still waiting (because it is eventually going to happen) for one of the major promotions to literally work the dirt sheets to feed them false bits of a story to throw off fans and add flair to a storyline.  But I don't think this is it, even if it could work very well as a means to elevate Mandy back to the main roster.

That said, if she goes back up... she's not going to maintain the status she's held in NXT.  Haytch has been a bigger proponent of certain rebuilt/returned women than Mandy (who had the feel of someone put in NXT to rebuild by Vince - for obvious reasons - than Hunter): Tegan, Shayna, Dakota and Io, Racquel...

I don't want to take anything away from Mandy and the improvements she made in her rebuild, but throw her in with one of the women who can flat out GO and she's not hanging, and I doubt she's going to "stand and take it stiff" the way several who either grew up fans (Shayna, Tegan, Dakota, Bayley) or those who grew up in the industry (Racquel, Io) have already shown they will.

You took what I said different than what I meant.  I think it was intentional on Amanda/Mandy's part, to get out of her contract, not that it was some kind of work.  

Edited December 16, 2022 by OkeyDoke21

[Dr LBC]

4 hours ago, OkeyDoke21 said:

You took what I said different than what I meant.  I think it was intentional on Amanda/Mandy's part, to get out of her contract, not that it was some kind of work.  

Intentional to achieve what end though?  Because, unless she's got a studio dangling film role options in front of her (which WWE certainly wouldn't stand in her way of doing unless there was a demand that she do topless/nude scenes), she's not going to sabotage her way out of a WWE contract (and she's still on the main roster contract - unless Corporate demanded she take a voluntary pay-cut) to jump to AEW who haven't exactly shown they make the best use or strap rockets to former WWE women's talent (or even if/when they have the fans cool on them and take them for granted in favor of the AEW originals really quick - looking directly at Toni Storm here).

And she doesn't exactly need the money.  She's made solid money already, and he's marrying Tino/Sabby who is still living off the pre-rookie-wage scale contract he got when he was drafted by the Bucs.

[Totty]

Mannnnnnn.... LA Knight has some stone cold vibes on the mic.  

[StLunatic88]

On 12/16/2022 at 3:15 PM, Dr LBC said:

Intentional to achieve what end though?  Because, unless she's got a studio dangling film role options in front of her (which WWE certainly wouldn't stand in her way of doing unless there was a demand that she do topless/nude scenes), she's not going to sabotage her way out of a WWE contract

I mean, everyone wants to make more money, and wasnt it reported somewhere recently that some of these ladies are making more on their Fan Sites (some significantly more) than they are from their contracts? 

I highly doubt she was still getting Main Roster dollars, and if there wasnt a plan soon for her to be back up there (and Id say outside signings over calling her and Toxic Attraction up suggest thats the case) then why would she want to stick around NXT?

She definitely had some plan here, as she has been on the socials since the move, and she upped the subscription to her site immediately. 

[bcb1213]

1 hour ago, StLunatic88 said:

I mean, everyone wants to make more money, and wasnt it reported somewhere recently that some of these ladies are making more on their Fan Sites (some significantly more) than they are from their contracts? 

I highly doubt she was still getting Main Roster dollars, and if there wasnt a plan soon for her to be back up there (and Id say outside signings over calling her and Toxic Attraction up suggest thats the case) then why would she want to stick around NXT?

She definitely had some plan here, as she has been on the socials since the move, and she upped the subscription to her site immediately. 

bit of a catch 22.  If you do it for the social media money, it's gonna be a short term boost.  The longer you're in WWE spotlight, the more eyeballs you get.  The instagram stuff only lasts so long unless you either land actual acting roles, or take the porn route.  She is always going to be gorgeous so I expect her to do this for a little bit then possibly come back.  See Zelina Vega stuff

[Dr LBC]

46 minutes ago, bcb1213 said:

bit of a catch 22.  If you do it for the social media money, it's gonna be a short term boost.  The longer you're in WWE spotlight, the more eyeballs you get.  The instagram stuff only lasts so long unless you either land actual acting roles, or take the porn route.  She is always going to be gorgeous so I expect her to do this for a little bit then possibly come back.  See Zelina Vega stuff

That... and, how much of her celebrity that allows her to charge a premium on what most OF-variety subscription sites' content producers do is based on her appearing weekly (or at least damn close) on a cable TV show?  Once she's 3-6 months removed from the public eye, the bloom will be off the rose (pun intended).  The Zelina stuff is a relevant comparison, but it's not a perfect one because Zelina wasn't engaging in anything in her content creation that might put off sponsors - Mandy was.

[Dr LBC]

2 hours ago, StLunatic88 said:

I mean, everyone wants to make more money, and wasnt it reported somewhere recently that some of these ladies are making more on their Fan Sites (some significantly more) than they are from their contracts? 

I highly doubt she was still getting Main Roster dollars, and if there wasnt a plan soon for her to be back up there (and Id say outside signings over calling her and Toxic Attraction up suggest thats the case) then why would she want to stick around NXT?

She definitely had some plan here, as she has been on the socials since the move, and she upped the subscription to her site immediately. 

Like I noted above, my best guess as to how this went down was:
- Execs already met with her at least once about this, at the very least telling her that she didn't have permission to use company-branded props (i.e. the NXT and NXT UK belts) in her shoots and profit off them (and there was probably a mention that if she did, they'd legally seek to a hefty percentage of what she was making off the subs - and they'd have a legitimate case).
- She persisted.
- Mattel raised an issue with the content (and Mattel's a corporation, they only care about how the perceived image affects their ability to make money).
- Long story short (and there probably is a fair amount of other in-between stuffs, possibly relating to her demanding a bigger contract if she was going to stop doing the gig-media stuffs), the impasse came and they told her to clean up the content or face release, and she opted to take the release because it currently is garnering her more money than her WWE contract currently is.

That said, where she may/probably is not thinking this through as thoroughly is that the allure of seeing her bits is less because she's Amanda Saccamano and more because she's TV character Mandy Rose.  And when Mandy Rose is no longer on TV and isn't much of a celebrity anymore - unless she's done something to elevate her star, fewer and fewer people are going to get some sort of fantasy fulfillment from seeing (and... other stuff) naughty pictures of her - much less paying a monthly premium to do so - when there is better content available on the internet for free.

[Dr LBC]

Interesting hypothetical brought up by Bully Ray on Twitter, that I was suprised the direction it leaned (in the comments, less the actual poll):

Now I get a lot of people contending that MJF benefits from recency bias and that that's influencing the clear lean towards Max, but I would (and did) counter with the fact that a lot of people making that argument are either ignoring, or haven't heard, the promos Max has delivered on the indies (i.e. non-network TV) or the (semi-worked) shoot interviews he's done on podcasts and the like (where he definitely isn't scripted).

Max is like a good battle rapper; he knows how to lead and work and audience.  He may have hooks in mind ahead of time, but dude thinks quick on his feet and he's not just going to drop the nuke on someone right out the gate, he'll cut, twist the knife, kick sand on the wound, then cut again.  And, frankly, a lot of AEW viewers unless they've done deep internet dives on him haven't seen Max go no-filter... because he knows he doesn't have to (and honestly, he knows he shouldn't because it makes him more marketable to both leave himself viewed as the guy who can hold back as well as that sometimes you say more by going just to the brink and not jumping off than you do just charging headlong off the cliff).  Enzo's a charge headlong off the cliff guy, and we've seen plenty of evidence of that already.

[StLunatic88]

On 12/19/2022 at 7:26 PM, Dr LBC said:

Max is like a good battle rapper; he knows how to lead and work and audience.  He may have hooks in mind ahead of time, but dude thinks quick on his feet and he's not just going to drop the nuke on someone right out the gate, he'll cut, twist the knife, kick sand on the wound, then cut again.  And, frankly, a lot of AEW viewers unless they've done deep internet dives on him haven't seen Max go no-filter... because he knows he doesn't have to (and honestly, he knows he shouldn't because it makes him more marketable to both leave himself viewed as the guy who can hold back as well as that sometimes you say more by going just to the brink and not jumping off than you do just charging headlong off the cliff).  Enzo's a charge headlong off the cliff guy, and we've seen plenty of evidence of that already.

Completely agree here, Enzo may land the first big hit, but this isnt actual fighting, its very unlikely he can win the war with just one punch. Max would likely lull him right to where he wants him, having him spinning for rebuttals, and when you least expect it land a strike that might be unrecoverable

There is way more psychology to this than just throwing out lines and insults. And everything Ive ever seen with Enzo is that he burns hot (and loud), but the flame doesnt last. Where Max can play a crowd, take some of the smacks, but also turn them right around on you, all while steering you to the ultimate set up for a decisive win.