15412 Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 All I can say about Kizer is I hope Joe Webb gets cut. Or a vet like him. I don't like anything we have behind Rodgers beyond the PS, where the undrafted rookie will go if Boyle has no eligibility there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexGreen#20 Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 4 minutes ago, deathstar said: Ok, that's one throw. You've got that, then you've got: Super open, but that pocket is not doing him any favors. This one is great to contrast w/ Boyle's trip near his own endzone, when he fumbled a handoff. And regarding the turnovers: so you can't argue on one hand that he made a bad throw on 4th down, then on another that we haven't had enough of a sample size to see him turnover the ball. That doesn't make sense. 1. How low are your expectations that you consider #1 a great play? The only way that play is anything better than average is if you're well and truly surprised he didn't take the DB's helmet to his chin. I'm not even sure he read the blitz. Off the play action, the slant behind the receivers is probably his first read anyway. 2. Did he even see or feel the pressure? There were two receivers in the pattern, and one was wide open. What is the expectation? Should we be shocked that he managed to scribble with his crayons rather than eating them? 3. That's an NFL QB throw. Good anticipation and great ball placement. The problem is he mixes those in with complete crap all the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skibrett15 Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 one of the biggest issues I saw was a play action boot early in the houston game where he is rolling left and the guy is out there in the flat. He doesn't pull the trigger on the throw, and runs for 2 yards passing up 6. Just basic execution errors. Is the guy uncovered? no. Is he out there where he's supposed to be on time as the play is designed? Yes. Pull the trigger and take your 6 yards or take your incomplete. Run the play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donzo Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 18 minutes ago, deathstar said: Ok, that's one throw. You've got that, then you've got: Super open, but that pocket is not doing him any favors. Excellent post, Well done! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deathstar Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 7 minutes ago, AlexGreen#20 said: 1. How low are your expectations that you consider #1 a great play? The only way that play is anything better than average is if you're well and truly surprised he didn't take the DB's helmet to his chin. I'm not even sure he read the blitz. Off the play action, the slant behind the receivers is probably his first read anyway. 2. Did he even see or feel the pressure? There were two receivers in the pattern, and one was wide open. What is the expectation? Should we be shocked that he managed to scribble with his crayons rather than eating them? 3. That's an NFL QB throw. Good anticipation and great ball placement. The problem is he mixes those in with complete crap all the time. I don’t know what to tell you man. What I’m seeing is that you’re questioning when he’s going to turn the ball over and did he even see pressure when he executes despite it. At some point you’ve got to be more objective. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deathstar Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 9 minutes ago, skibrett15 said: one of the biggest issues I saw was a play action boot early in the houston game where he is rolling left and the guy is out there in the flat. He doesn't pull the trigger on the throw, and runs for 2 yards passing up 6. Just basic execution errors. Is the guy uncovered? no. Is he out there where he's supposed to be on time as the play is designed? Yes. Pull the trigger and take your 6 yards or take your incomplete. Run the play. Sounds like Rodgers doesn’t know how to play QB either if that’s your bar. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skibrett15 Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 3 minutes ago, deathstar said: Sounds like Rodgers doesn’t know how to play QB either if that’s your bar. yeah you're right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexGreen#20 Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 Just now, deathstar said: I don’t know what to tell you man. What I’m seeing is that you’re questioning when he’s going to turn the ball over and did he even see pressure when he executes despite it. At some point you’ve got to be more objective. He's going to turn the ball over. You don't turn from Deshon Kizer to Aaron Rodgers in one off-season. The question is, can he go from Deshon Kizer to like Blake Bortles? It's not like he's fixed the fundamental problems that have led to interceptions in the past. He's still throwing late and he's still missing high. Those are two characteristics that make interceptions happen. Just like we all strongly suspect that Fackrell isn't going to be a stand out pass rusher this year because we know his sack numbers weren't sustainable with his pressure metrics, it's easily foreseeable that Kizer's INT woes are going to return if he keeps doing the predicative behaviors that lead to INTs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packerraymond Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 And I thought the Hundley haters we're annoying, my goodness. He's a backup freaking QB, and a totally serviceable one at that. You want a Fitzpatrick or a Bridgewater in camp? That's fine, but then you don't have one of Turner or Amos and either Josh Jones or Lucas Patrick are getting starter reps in camp. You OK with that? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skibrett15 Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 14 minutes ago, Packerraymond said: And I thought the Hundley haters we're annoying, my goodness. He's a backup freaking QB, and a totally serviceable one at that. You want a Fitzpatrick or a Bridgewater in camp? That's fine, but then you don't have one of Turner or Amos and either Josh Jones or Lucas Patrick are getting starter reps in camp. You OK with that? would much prefer hundley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexGreen#20 Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 13 minutes ago, Packerraymond said: And I thought the Hundley haters we're annoying, my goodness. He's a backup freaking QB, and a totally serviceable one at that. You want a Fitzpatrick or a Bridgewater in camp? That's fine, but then you don't have one of Turner or Amos and either Josh Jones or Lucas Patrick are getting starter reps in camp. You OK with that? Strangely enough, I seem to remember losing a starting caliber safety for the privilege of watching Kizer suck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBitzMan Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 1 minute ago, skibrett15 said: would much prefer hundley Hundley is out here dropping dimes in preaseason... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatJerkDave Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 2 minutes ago, AlexGreen#20 said: Strangely enough, I seem to remember losing a starting caliber safety for the privilege of watching Kizer suck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fl0nkerton Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 2 minutes ago, TheBitzMan said: Hundley is out here dropping dimes in preaseason... Good throw, but that looks like OPI to me 🤷♂️ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBitzMan Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 1 minute ago, Fl0nkerton said: Good throw, but that looks like OPI to me 🤷♂️ I agree 100% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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