Woz Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 43 minutes ago, MikeT14 said: To rephrase: If we trot out Flowers to be our LT for 2019 because Trent is not with us, we deserve our crappy record, and we deserve to have to deal with any consequences that arise from injuries to our QBs - a problem we already had as a team in 2018 and 17 and 16 and 15 and 14 etc. This is the only scenario where I will stand on the table and scream for them not to give Haskins a single snap this entire season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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bigdog44 Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 If Flowers at LT brings us one step closer to Bruce and Gruden getting fired let’s roll with it. 2019 should now be Haskins redshirt year. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mar29020 Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 Dwayne about to get his leg snapped Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Thaiphoon Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 3 hours ago, RSkinGM said: You sure twisted that around . I'm just saying the tumor put Trent (indirectly ) into this situation . NO- He didn't deserve what happened ,, and the team doesn't "deserve" to be in this predicament . AND it's seven weeks to opening day . Plenty of time for the issue to be resolved-other than Flowers starting L T opening day . We'll see. I literally don't buy this holdout as a result of the tumor (which was benign BTW) for one second. Sorry, I just don't. I think this is a convenient excuse to get more money out of the team without looking greedy to the fanbase. But I agree with @MikeT14, the team deserves to be in the predicament because of the following: 1) They didn't focus on drafting a LT replacement in the preceeding few years when Trent didn't finish the season. I mentioned in past offseasons we needed to find his replacement and many on this forum poo-pooed my pessimism. I'm looking like Nostradamus now. (h/t - I believe @Woz also advocated for getting his replacement the last 3 years) 2) They did next to nothing this offseason towards getting a Tackle in here. No, Flowers doesn't count. 3) They have the opportunity to alleviate the pain in signing Penn or a few others and at least have someone serviceable while we deal with Trent. 4) They can still address Trent wanting to get paid by simply guaranteeing his contract for next year. This guarantees him the payday that he is looking for. 5) They can trade the guy now. He's fairly cheap as far as top-5 tackles go. 6) The training and medical staff. Yes, I don't think the tumor is the reason, but if they actually had a worldclass staff, this wouldn't be an easy scapegoat for him. None of that ^^^ was (or is being) done. So yeah, the team deserves to be in this predicament. Which is what I took Mike's comment to mean. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offbyone Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 1 minute ago, Thaiphoon said: I literally don't buy this holdout as a result of the tumor (which was benign BTW) for one second. Sorry, I just don't. I think this is a convenient excuse to get more money out of the team without looking greedy to the fanbase. But I agree with @MikeT14, the team deserves to be in the predicament because of the following: 1) They didn't focus on drafting a LT replacement in the preceeding few years when Trent didn't finish the season. I mentioned in past offseasons we needed to find his replacement and many on this forum poo-pooed my pessimism. I'm looking like Nostradamus now. 2) They did next to nothing this offseason towards getting a Tackle in here. No, Flowers doesn't count. 3) They have the opportunity to alleviate the pain in signing Penn or a few others and at least have someone serviceable while we deal with Trent. 4) They can still address Trent wanting to get paid by simply guaranteeing his contract for next year. This guarantees him the payday that he is looking for. 5) They can trade the guy now. He's fairly cheap as far as top-5 tackles go. 6) The training and medical staff. Yes, I don't think the tumor is the reason, but if they actually had a worldclass staff, this wouldn't be an easy scapegoat for him. None of that ^^^ was (or is being) done. So yeah, the team deserves to be in this predicament. Which is what I took Mike's comment to mean. I disagree. 3 months ago, no one would have predicted this. Trent Williams is under contract for 2 more years. It is a solid contract that doesn't merit a hold out. They did draft Christian last year. We may not think highly of him, but the team obviously did to draft him so high. I am sick of this medical staff ambiguity. If Trent Williams is really taking some moral stand, then tell us exactly what horrible thing the medical staff did. His silence says it all to me. BS. Until I hear from him why he has been so wronged, then I am not buying it. Trent you got the money, you got a health problem go see a doctor. At this point in your career and your life, why have you not figured out how to get second opinions and advocate for yourself like the rest of america. They should be looking for another tackle. But I really don't get this obsession with Penn. If he is so great, why is he on the street? Who else is out there? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaiphoon Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 3 minutes ago, offbyone said: I disagree. 3 months ago, no one would have predicted this. Huh? 3 years ago, if people were paying attention, you knew that you would need to move on from Trent eventually. He's banged up and is on the wrong side of 30. And hasn't made it through a full season in quite some time. Plus he was heavily penalized last year. If your contention is that no one would've seen the holdout coming, okay. But getting his replacement in here in the last 3 years would've provided insurance. We have none right now. Quote Trent Williams is under contract for 2 more years. It is a solid contract that doesn't merit a hold out. He's looking for one last big payday. The last 2 years of this contract are relatively cheap for a guy who, when healthy, is one of the top LT's in the game. If he rides these last 2 years out, he's looking at being 33 and trying to get a big contract. Which won't happen. He knows he has us over a barrel because of Flowers and no one else behind him. He knows the medical staff is an issue. So it's easy to see why he would pull this holdout. Quote They did draft Christian last year. We may not think highly of him, but the team obviously did to draft him so high. True. But he's done nothing so far. And the fact that we are trying Flowers at LT instead of him is all the damnation I need. Quote I am sick of this medical staff ambiguity. If Trent Williams is really taking some moral stand, then tell us exactly what horrible thing the medical staff did. His silence says it all to me. BS. Until I hear from him why he has been so wronged, then I am not buying it. Trent you got the money, you got a health problem go see a doctor. At this point in your career and your life, why have you not figured out how to get second opinions and advocate for yourself like the rest of america. Here we agree. I think he's using the medical issue as a smokescreen. Quote They should be looking for another tackle. But I really don't get this obsession with Penn. If he is so great, why is he on the street? Who else is out there? He's what is left out there. Not necessarily an obsession. Just he's the last option. And one that is preferable to Flowers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naptownskinsfan Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 1 hour ago, offbyone said: I disagree. 3 months ago, no one would have predicted this. Trent Williams is under contract for 2 more years. It is a solid contract that doesn't merit a hold out. They did draft Christian last year. We may not think highly of him, but the team obviously did to draft him so high. I am sick of this medical staff ambiguity. If Trent Williams is really taking some moral stand, then tell us exactly what horrible thing the medical staff did. His silence says it all to me. BS. Until I hear from him why he has been so wronged, then I am not buying it. Trent you got the money, you got a health problem go see a doctor. At this point in your career and your life, why have you not figured out how to get second opinions and advocate for yourself like the rest of america. They should be looking for another tackle. But I really don't get this obsession with Penn. If he is so great, why is he on the street? Who else is out there? It is a solid contract. However, the CBA expires shortly, and then after that, major cable deals for the entire league come up for renewal. Many are saying the cap will skyrocket with the additional revenue coming in. Williams and Scherff know that, and want a bigger piece of the pie. Something that is very tough for the Redskins to do right now since 13% of their cap space is taken up by a player who won't play a down this year. I won't get into the medical diagnosis thing. Wrestler CM Punk had a MRSA infection misdiagnosed by the WWE doctor, and then went and got a second opinion and found it was super serious. Simply put, Williams should've gotten a second opinion from a specialist. Geron Christian is still, for all intents and purposes, an inexperienced rookie out there, and was drafted as a swing guy. There are folks who didn't view him as a full-time LT in the draft. Donald Penn has at least proved himself as an above average LT. While I am not obsessed with the guy, there are a lot of veterans in his situation who wait it out to see what injuries or holdouts happen in camp. Because he hasn't signed yet doesn't mean much to me. It certainly can't be worse than some of the interior linemen we had playing for us last year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offbyone Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 11 minutes ago, naptownskinsfan said: It is a solid contract. However, the CBA expires shortly, and then after that, major cable deals for the entire league come up for renewal. Many are saying the cap will skyrocket with the additional revenue coming in. Then it seems like he isn't too smart. Why doesn't he wait until this occurs. Next year would be a much more appropriate time for requesting a contract extension/upgrade. Why would he renegotiate now when he doesn't even know the outcome of the CBA. He might end up getting himself underpaid. 1 hour ago, Thaiphoon said: Huh? 3 years ago, if people were paying attention, you knew that you would need to move on from Trent eventually. He's banged up and is on the wrong side of 30. And hasn't made it through a full season in quite some time. Plus he was heavily penalized last year. If your contention is that no one would've seen the holdout coming, okay. But getting his replacement in here in the last 3 years would've provided insurance. We have none right now. We should have signed nsekhe at all costs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naptownskinsfan Posted July 26, 2019 Share Posted July 26, 2019 3 hours ago, offbyone said: Then it seems like he isn't too smart. Why doesn't he wait until this occurs. Next year would be a much more appropriate time for requesting a contract extension/upgrade. Why would he renegotiate now when he doesn't even know the outcome of the CBA. He might end up getting himself underpaid. We should have signed nsekhe at all costs. Because Williams may not survive in the league until then. He's older and trying to get a new contract, which rarely happens. Aside from that, there are always crazy injuries that could come into play. Giving top 5 money to a 31 year old, injury prone tackle is not a smart business decision. As far as Nsekhe, he's a veteran player where Christian is on a rookie contract. He will be 34 years old in October. He is what he is at this point. With 13% of the cap allocated to Smith, and high salaries for Williams, Scherff and Moses as is, you've got to spread the cash out as much as possible. It still doesn't explain Ereck Flowers, but with that signing it seems they thought Nsekhe would leave or command too much money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoganF89 Posted July 26, 2019 Share Posted July 26, 2019 Well according to BR Penn is on his way to Richmond for a visit with the team. Looking like Trent could be moved 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeT14 Posted July 26, 2019 Author Share Posted July 26, 2019 6 minutes ago, LoganF89 said: Well according to BR Penn is on his way to Richmond for a visit with the team. Looking like Trent could be moved Yeah. Doesn’t sound too much like a short term thing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skins212689 Posted July 26, 2019 Share Posted July 26, 2019 (edited) Some of this talk about spending too much money is killing me. Snyder went out and bought a Yacht for billions of dollars, but is too broke to spend money to keep his team in place to reach the SuperBowl. I don't care how old Williams is, he's still currently a top 5 LT in the league and with no one to replace him. Why wouldn't you pay a little extra to keep him so that your QB can be safe in the pocket. People also brung Nskehe age but seem to forget the dude can still play at a high level at both LT and LG. If you needed to resign him to play LT or LG instead of freaking Flowers, suck that little bit of money up for the health of your QB again and better ment of the team. These are Billionaires with plenty of money so sometimes I can't agree with people who are so concerned about Owners paying players or players wanting more guaranteed money. Michael Thomas may not deserve to get paid more than Julio Jones but don't tell me Thomas and Jones don't belong in the top 5 paid WR catergory. If so so concerned about Williams age give him his money up front now while he still can perform and go into next year with a plan to find his replacement in the next 2 yrs. So I'm already looking forward to the 2022 season with Williams replacement on the team not us going into that season Looking for his replacement. Edited July 26, 2019 by Skins212689 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigdog44 Posted July 26, 2019 Share Posted July 26, 2019 https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2847146-redskins-rumors-lt-donald-penn-meeting-with-team-amid-trent-williams-holdout It says Ian Rappaport reported that’s Penn is en route to Redskin park for a visit. I, for one, have mixed feelings about this. -it’s quite possible Trent has played his last down as a Redskin, which sucks - it beats the heck out of seeing Flowers at LT, which is great -it’s obviously a short term solution. With a rookie QB a Tackle becomes priority #1 next offseason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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