2019 MLB Hot Stove Thread

[DirtyDez]

3 hours ago, Leader said:

NY Post:  It looks like the worst-case scenario for Luis Severino and the Yankees.

Yankees GM Brian Cashman said on Tuesday that team doctors have recommended Tommy John surgery for the 26-year-old right-hander.

 

Giving Cole $300+ mil doesn’t look like as much of an overpay now.  

[bigbadbuff]

46 minutes ago, DirtyDez said:

Giving Cole $300+ mil doesn’t look like as much of an overpay now.  

Was never an over pay tbqh 

[Leader]

44 minutes ago, DirtyDez said:

Giving Cole $300+ mil doesn’t look like as much of an overpay now.  

Before the signing, 18 game winner German was put down till June.
Since the signing, Paxton's had back surgery thats gonna have him down till May/June - and now Severino's gone for 1.5 years. .

So - there's your #2-4 pitchers.

 

[Slateman]

Honestly, the Yankees have the depth and lineup to compensate. Might be the only team in baseball that does.

[tom cody]

Yeah, tough luck for the Yankees pitching. They do have the hitting to make up for the injuries to their pitching staff so things might not be so bad for the Yankees. 

[ramssuperbowl99]

The Braves released the rest of their 2019 financials. They're the only team who has to since Liberty Media is publicly traded:

https://www.bizjournals.com/atlanta/news/2020/02/26/atlanta-braves-revenue-hits-record-476m-in-2019.html

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Parent company Liberty Media reported on Wednesday that the Braves finished out 2019 with a record $476 million in total revenue, which is up 8% from 2018 when they brought in $442 million.

The Braves earned $438 million in baseball revenue last year with the other $38 million coming from development revenue. While the development revenue remained flat over a year, the $438 million in baseball revenue is an 8% increase from the $404 million the team earned in 2018.

Their payroll was something like $130MM for players, plus ~$15MM that goes towards other generic player expenses (e.g. pension benefits and stuff), and maybe another $15MM in draft and J2. So basically $160MM in total player expenses.

Even if you don't include the non "department revenue", that's ~37% of total revenue going to players. Or at least 11% less than the deal the NFLPA might reject today.

[NVRamsFan]

37 minutes ago, ramssuperbowl99 said:

The Braves released the rest of their 2019 financials. They're the only team who has to since Liberty Media is publicly traded:

https://www.bizjournals.com/atlanta/news/2020/02/26/atlanta-braves-revenue-hits-record-476m-in-2019.html

Their payroll was something like $130MM for players, plus ~$15MM that goes towards other generic player expenses (e.g. pension benefits and stuff), and maybe another $15MM in draft and J2. So basically $160MM in total player expenses.

Even if you don't include the non "department revenue", that's ~37% of total revenue going to players. Or at least 11% less than the deal the NFLPA might reject today.

I’ll keep repeating it but if there’s a luxury tax or cap there needs o be a floor as well. If you don’t spend to the floor your shared revenue is reduced and goes to the union. The NFL has a hard cap and you have to spend a minimum also what is it like 86% of the cap over three years?

[ramssuperbowl99]

49 minutes ago, NVRamsFan said:

I’ll keep repeating it but if there’s a luxury tax or cap there needs o be a floor as well. If you don’t spend to the floor your shared revenue is reduced and goes to the union. The NFL has a hard cap and you have to spend a minimum also what is it like 86% of the cap over three years?

I'm not really advocating for a mechanism to fix it so much as confirming that the players should have alarm bells ringing. The MLB saying 50% of revenue going to the players seems somewhere between really funny math and an outright lie.

[NVRamsFan]

1 minute ago, ramssuperbowl99 said:

I'm not really advocating for a mechanism to fix it so much as confirming that the players should have alarm bells ringing. The MLB saying 50% of revenue going to the players seems somewhere between really funny math and an outright lie.

If teams spent up to or close to the luxury tax how much would it be now? Or if we take what all 30 teams spent how much would it be? Just curious, it’s all well and good to cite one team spending so little but the arevteams spending much less and more. Also if there’s no mechanism to change this in the players favor we’ll forever just be being fed lies. It’s funny though the nflpa takes heat for being terrible but as far as the p,Ayers cut they’re light years ahead of mlbpa if this is any kind of example.

[ramssuperbowl99]

6 minutes ago, NVRamsFan said:

If teams spent up to or close to the luxury tax how much would it be now? Or if we take what all 30 teams spent how much would it be? Just curious, it’s all well and good to cite one team spending so little but the arevteams spending much less and more. Also if there’s no mechanism to change this in the players favor we’ll forever just be being fed lies. It’s funny though the nflpa takes heat for being terrible but as far as the p,Ayers cut they’re light years ahead of mlbpa if this is any kind of example.

If every team made the same amount as the Braves and spent to the luxury tax, it'd be 47% of baseball revenue (less if you include department revenue). Forbes had the Braves around 10th in team revenue, so slightly above average in terms of where they rank in the 30 teams, but they also underpredicted the revenue by about $100MM.

And yes, I think we're being fed a good deal of lies here. Mark Antanassio of the Brewers just came out and said that the club made a loss in 2019, but looking at these numbers, its pretty difficult to explain how any team could operate in the red with a payroll of only ~$140MM. That sounds like funny accounting math.

[mse326]

2 hours ago, ramssuperbowl99 said:

If every team made the same amount as the Braves and spent to the luxury tax, it'd be 47% of baseball revenue (less if you include department revenue). Forbes had the Braves around 10th in team revenue, so slightly above average in terms of where they rank in the 30 teams, but they also underpredicted the revenue by about $100MM.

And yes, I think we're being fed a good deal of lies here. Mark Antanassio of the Brewers just came out and said that the club made a loss in 2019, but looking at these numbers, its pretty difficult to explain how any team could operate in the red with a payroll of only ~$140MM. That sounds like funny accounting math.

I don't know exactly how it works or how analagous it is to baseball but look up "Hollywood accounting." It is actually a know phrase that results from movies whose box office is like 3 or 4 times the higher than the budget still being listed as a loss. They do that as a way to avoid paying money to those who signed a contract based on percentage points of net profit. Basically in Hollywood you are a fool to take percentage points unless you are an over the line star that gets it based on revenue (e.g. Tom Hanks or Steven Spielberg).

[ramssuperbowl99]

23 minutes ago, mse326 said:

I don't know exactly how it works or how analagous it is to baseball but look up "Hollywood accounting." It is actually a know phrase that results from movies whose box office is like 3 or 4 times the higher than the budget still being listed as a loss. They do that as a way to avoid paying money to those who signed a contract based on percentage points of net profit. Basically in Hollywood you are a fool to take percentage points unless you are an over the line star that gets it based on revenue (e.g. Tom Hanks or Steven Spielberg).

Yep that's what I was alluding to with "funny math". I wonder if there's some way they could depreciate the cost of the stadium over 30 years or something to basically invent this expense they don't really ever incur.

[Leader]

It's like 2019 never ended.....

Giancarlo Stanton questionable for Opening Day after suffering a right calf strain.
Since the start of 2019 Stanton has missed time for:

Strained left bicep
Strained left shoulder
Strained left calf
Strained right PCL
Strained right quad
Strained right calf

[MikeT14]

14 hours ago, Leader said:

It's like 2019 never ended.....

Giancarlo Stanton questionable for Opening Day after suffering a right calf strain.
Since the start of 2019 Stanton has missed time for:

Strained left bicep
Strained left shoulder
Strained left calf
Strained right PCL
Strained right quad
Strained right calf

He is not the $325 million dollar man.

[tom cody]

To bad for Stanton. Looks like the 2020 Yankees will be like the 2019 Yankees and have to contend with lots of injuries. As I said above the depth on that team, particularly the hitters, is more than enough to compensate for any injuries.