gdt8: mesomorphic peckers versus KC kief's 2019 exclusive (MNF): bashaud's return to gorgeos green bay 2019 + "the incomparable" tony brown recoups his starting position PART UN

[Pugger]

1 minute ago, JBURGE said:

MVS is playing fine. I don't think he is a strong #2 though. Yes his production as a rookie was great especially for the draft pick, but mostly circumstantial. 

I don't think he is a legit #2 either.  I hope Gute addresses this situation this week even with Adams coming back soon.

[coachbuns]

28 minutes ago, Outpost31 said:

I don’t know why anyone is acting like MVS is having a bad year, either.  He’s averaging 19 yards a catch on 22 catches...

Last night showed once again that for some reason, Rodgers just isn’t throwing to him deep.  He had a TD on the flea flicker.  If you think that’s the only time he’s gotten open but hasn’t had the ball thrown his way, you might be a Penske truck.

Your love affair with MVS and your diatribe about Rodgers is getting stale.  Suggest finding new material/players to discuss.  By the way, MVS is ok but he's not the 2nd coming of Jerry Rice.  He was non existent last night except for 1 long ball while Rodgers was running around for his life and don't forget, he dropped a bomb that Rodgers DID throw to him.   

Edited October 28, 2019 by coachbuns

[JBURGE]

Just now, coachbuns said:

Your love affair with MVS and your diatribe about Rodgers is getting stale.  Suggest finding new material/players to discuss.  By the way, MVS is ok but he's not the 2nd coming of Jerry Rice.  He was non existent last night except for 1 long ball while Rodgers was running around for his life.   

He will develop but yeah, unless we actually try to involve MVS inside 10 yards of the LOS, he will be limited. I'd love to give snaps to a complete WR like Devante Parker

[HighCalebR]

3 minutes ago, coachbuns said:

Your love affair with MVS and your diatribe about Rodgers is getting stale.  Suggest finding new material/players to discuss.  By the way, MVS is ok but he's not the 2nd coming of Jerry Rice.  He was non existent last night except for 1 long ball while Rodgers was running around for his life.   

*that you're aware of*

[HeresAGuy]

I dunno bout you kids, but Chandon Sullivan needs to see the field more.  that kid finds a way to make plays every week, and often at least one crucial play.

[HighCalebR]

Just now, HeresAGuy said:

I dunno bout you kids, but Chandon Sullivan needs to see the field more.  that kid finds a way to make plays every week, and often at least one crucial play.

He's one of the better zone guys that we got, limited a bit athletically, but 3rd safety/slot would be ok with me.

[HeresAGuy]

2 minutes ago, HighCalebR said:

He's one of the better zone guys that we got, limited a bit athletically, but 3rd safety/slot would be ok with me.

exactly my thoughts, thats the perfect role for him, I think hes earned either one of those by now.  Certainly moved ahead of Redmond IMO.  His instincts seem to blanket the lower-end athleticism at least

Edited October 28, 2019 by HeresAGuy

[Arthur Penske]

7 minutes ago, coachbuns said:

Your love affair with MVS and your diatribe about Rodgers is getting stale.  Suggest finding new material/players to discuss.  By the way, MVS is ok but he's not the 2nd coming of Jerry Rice.  He was non existent last night except for 1 long ball while Rodgers was running around for his life.   

True, but I still do think MVS is pretty dank.

He should have caught that bomb from 12 though.

[coachbuns]

12 minutes ago, HighCalebR said:

*that you're aware of*

Agreed … have you seen anything special?  I'm going by what most posters in this forum are doing … by what I see in the game.  Didn't see much of MVS … did you see or hear anything more than me?   Think he's still decent but not the wr savior some make him to be.

Edited October 28, 2019 by coachbuns

[Howler]

18 minutes ago, Pugger said:

I don't think he is a legit #2 either.  I hope Gute addresses this situation this week even with Adams coming back soon.

He's really limited. You would think someone like him would be more proficient on the comeback routes, unless he's hurt. 

[Leader]

19 minutes ago, Pugger said:

I don't think he is a legit #2 either.  I hope Gute addresses this situation this week even with Adams coming back soon.

He's got about 28 hours......

Tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-tock......

[Leader]

Is Tony Brown still injured?

He didnt register any stats last night......did he play? Was he active?

[MacReady]

Just now, Packerraymond said:

I have not seen anything from you other than childish rants to prove otherwise.

No child can rant as well as I can. 

And no, it's very simple:

I've been saying for three years Rodgers needs to throw to running backs more to improve himself and our offense.
Rodgers is throwing to his backs more, and it is improving himself and our offense. 

Deep down you know this is true.  And don't act like McCarthy didn't work to get backs involved more.  He had Randall Cobb as a back, he had Ty Montgomery converted to RB.  Rodgers wouldn't throw to either Montgomery or Cobb when they were at RB.  He did for 2 games in 2016 when Montgomery had back-to-back 10 reception games.  He was still technically a receiver then. 

Aaron Jones is currently on pace to shatter the receptions record for a RB in Aaron's entire career. 

I have already acknowledged that LaFleur has done an amazing job at getting backs involved and getting Rodgers to throw to them.  So how am I wrong exactly?  When did I ever say anything other than Rodgers needs to throw to his backs more often?  Did Jones not have the ability to run these same routes with McCarthy?  Are you saying our backs never ran these types of routes under McCarthy? 

Because I can show you a Steelers game with Hundley at QB, a Browns game with Hundley at QB that had wheel routes and running backs open deep downfield that Hundley threw to. 

Jamaal Williams had 2 career receiving touchdowns before this year.  One of them was against the Steelers, one was against the Browns. 

https://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2017112611/2017/REG12/packers@steelers

It was a screen pass.  Think back honestly, realistically... How many screen passes can you remember Rodgers throwing under McCarthy, and how many can you remember where he just for whatever reason threw a terrible pass on a screen or threw it into the dirt? 

https://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2017121003/2017/REG14/packers@browns

Jamaal Williams split out wide.  Almost like yeah, McCarthy did that, too. 

Then look at Aaron Jones in the Seattle game last year. 

The little toss eerily similar to the shovel passes Rodgers has been getting credit for as touchdown passes for Jones. 

On another TD drive against Seattle... Pressure gets to Rodgers quickly and he flicks it to Jones, who takes it for 22 yards.  On that same drive...

Guess what, it's a wheel route.  Rodgers throws, Jones catches, TD. 

To sit here and act like McCarthy didn't call other routes for running backs than checkdowns is just perfectly stupid.  McCarthy did, and he did it frequently.  He put Cobb back there, he put Montgomery back there, he called screen passes, he called routes to the flat, he called wheel routes.  He split running backs out wide.  Hell, he even put Montgomery at RB and then split him out wide and now you've got a CONVERTED WR TO RB.  He did the same thing with Cobb. 

So acting like I am somehow wrong here in any way whatsoever is just... Well, anyone who can look at this objectively can see why I'd get a little peeved by being told I was wrong on all this.  Only in the Packer subforum can someone say for three years that Rodgers needs to throw to the running backs more and then be told they were wrong when Rodgers has success throwing to running backs more. 

 

[Cakeshoppe]

Just now, Leader said:

Is Tony Brown still injured?

He didnt register any stats last night......did he play? Was he active?

he was in on specials

[HighCalebR]

1 minute ago, coachbuns said:

Agreed … have you seen anything special?  I'm going by what most posters in this forum are doing … by what I see in the game.  Didn't see much of MVS … did you see or hear anything more than me?   Think he's still decent but not the wr savior some make him to be.

Theres a reason coaches say "I have to go watch the film on that" ad nauseam in post game interviews. We see such a limited amount of people who arent the QB it's hard to say what's going on outside of what the broadcast crew wants to show you. Theres been more opportunities for everyone that's playing out there at one point or another but for whatever the reason (their spot in the progression, how Rodgers feels about their matchup pre snap) they don't always get the opportunity to make the play. I miss A LOT during the first watch through, between posting in the GDT and maybe keying on a specific guy during a play I basically know nothing until the 2nd/3rd watch.

Everyone wants to move MVS down the depth chart but if you do that there's going to be even less opportunities for him to make the big plays that he currently is. When you have a big play threat you kindve just have to ride that horse and hopefully MVS grows his skillset with the additional reps.