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7 hours ago, Edge said:

It's not a difficult decision for me. First of all both QBs are absolutely great in what they are doing, but i just have to ask myself one simple question to find an answer.

Could Lamar play through the same or a similar leg injury as Mahomes did without a big dropoff in his performance?

I doubt that, so i'll take Mahomes.

Bingo. Mahomes also just had the 2nd best game of his career in the snow. During the mic'd up he said I spin this **** in any weather. And in his first playing season was a penalty away from the championship. Dude is a GAMER.

I guess I'm not really seeing how it's close or even up for debate, but I also appear to be more skeptical than most of a running QB having success in the playoffs.

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16 hours ago, Chiefer said:

Mahomes in 29 games: 

8987 yards, 73 TDs

465 yards, 3 TDs

Total: 9452 yards, 76 TDs

Jackson in 30 games:

4090 yards, 39 TDs

1798 yards, 12 TDs

Total: 5888 yards, 51 TDs

Not an apples to apples comparison. One was a very young rookie QB last season that was raw as a passer that made significant strides in his 2nd season. The other was older had a nearly an entire year of NFL coaching before seeing the field and was much more pro ready as a passer coming into the league. Both have already had historic seasons under their belts within just a few years in the NFL and likely each have an MVP by their 2nd seasons. Just providing those numbers in your post without context is very misleading. 

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3 hours ago, tyler735 said:

Not an apples to apples comparison. One was a very young rookie QB last season that was raw as a passer that made significant strides in his 2nd season. The other was older had a nearly an entire year of NFL coaching before seeing the field and was much more pro ready as a passer coming into the league. Both have already had historic seasons under their belts within just a few years in the NFL and likely each have an MVP by their 2nd seasons. Just providing those numbers in your post without context is very misleading. 

Exactly but what makes it even worse is all of the Patrick Mahomes games are starts while 9 of the Lamar Jackson game aren’t lol... not to mention when mahomes came into his second season with the starting nod it was year two In his system... Lamar had an OC change and had to learn a whole new system coming into this season... I’m talking terminology and all... I can’t knock anyone for preferring Mahomes... he is the truth And is also responsible for 2 of lamars 3 regular season losses... but this stat comp is bogus as it gets 

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4 hours ago, Kirill said:

Bingo. Mahomes also just had the 2nd best game of his career in the snow. During the mic'd up he said I spin this **** in any weather. And in his first playing season was a penalty away from the championship. Dude is a GAMER.

I guess I'm not really seeing how it's close or even up for debate, but I also appear to be more skeptical than most of a running QB having success in the playoffs.

And youre also a homer. Lamar has thoroughly outplayed Mahomes this year, PASSING. Running, its not even close.

Lamar is the most dynamic QB we've ever seen, Mahomes is not. 

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23 minutes ago, Bearerofnews said:

And youre also a homer. Lamar has thoroughly outplayed Mahomes this year, PASSING. Running, its not even close.

Lamar is the most dynamic QB we've ever seen, Mahomes is not. 

Huh? Chiefs smoked the Ravens earlier in the season without Tyreek Hill. Lamar that game was busy chucking the ball into the stands, like in the playoffs last year. My buddy was in the 10th row behind the endzone and caught a pass from Lamar!

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36 minutes ago, Kirill said:

Huh? Chiefs smoked the Ravens earlier in the season without Tyreek Hill. Lamar that game was busy chucking the ball into the stands, like in the playoffs last year. My buddy was in the 10th row behind the endzone and caught a pass from Lamar!

this year =/= week 3

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1 hour ago, Kirill said:

Huh? Chiefs smoked the Ravens earlier in the season without Tyreek Hill. Lamar that game was busy chucking the ball into the stands, like in the playoffs last year. My buddy was in the 10th row behind the endzone and caught a pass from Lamar!

Tyreek Hill missed the game very true but so did half the current Ravens defensive starters be it due to injury (Jimmy Smith) or not yet Being on the team (Marcus Peters, Josh Bynes etc,) now I give credit where credit is due but let’s not pretend Lamar and this Ravens squad hasn’t improved immensely since that game... Either way it looks like a good probability we will be seeing y’all soon... This time at the Bank for all the AFC Marbles

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6 hours ago, Kirill said:

Huh? Chiefs smoked the Ravens earlier in the season without Tyreek Hill. Lamar that game was busy chucking the ball into the stands, like in the playoffs last year. My buddy was in the 10th row behind the endzone and caught a pass from Lamar!

smoked? It was a one score game and you can't really complain about tyreek being out because 2 of our current top 3 corners and starting safety were out. Half of the players on defense from back then are back ups or on the practice squad now.

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Patrick Mahomes in 31 Starts

Passing: 9580 yards, 76 TDs

Rushing 484 yards, 4 TDs


Total: 10,064 Yards, 80 TDs

 

Lamar Jackson in 22 Starts

Passing: 4197 yards, 40 TDs

Rushing 1713 yards, 11 TDs
 

Total: 5910 yards, 51 TDs

 

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15 minutes ago, Chiefer said:

Patrick Mahomes in 31 Starts

Passing: 9580 yards, 76 TDs

Rushing 484 yards, 4 TDs


Total: 10,064 Yards, 80 TDs

 

Lamar Jackson in 22 Starts

Passing: 4197 yards, 40 TDs

Rushing 1713 yards, 11 TDs
 

Total: 5910 yards, 51 TDs

 

obviously lamar's stats aren't going to compare to mahomes if you include his rookie year, he wouldn't even be starting if flacco didn't get injured.

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43 minutes ago, Chiefer said:

Patrick Mahomes in 31 Starts

Passing: 9580 yards, 76 TDs

Rushing 484 yards, 4 TDs


Total: 10,064 Yards, 80 TDs

 

Lamar Jackson in 22 Starts

Passing: 4197 yards, 40 TDs

Rushing 1713 yards, 11 TDs
 

Total: 5910 yards, 51 TDs

 

Mahomes was a 23 year old starting in a system he spent a season preparing in behind a quality veteran QB. Lamar was a 21 year old rookie thrown in half way through the season playing in an offense that was designed over a bye week.

How about we just wait until the end of the year and compare their MVP seasons in total. Why rush? This is likely the Manning vs Brady debate of this era... we’ll have plenty of time.

With Kyler Murray, I feel, being the Drew Brees. Deshaun Watson perhaps being the Phillip Rivers/Big Ben option.

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16 hours ago, Bearerofnews said:

And youre also a homer. Lamar has thoroughly outplayed Mahomes this year, PASSING. Running, its not even close.

Lamar is the most dynamic QB we've ever seen, Mahomes is not. 

Mahomes is still a better QB. Everyone here knows how much of a Chiefs hater you are.

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On 11/26/2019 at 3:32 AM, VanS said:

Lamar is on pace for roughly 50 total TDs himself this season.  And thus far into their career Mahomes is the one who has missed games due to injury not Lamar.

I'm taking Lamar right now over ANYBODY.

The issue with Lamar is that I think Mahomes succeeds in any number of places; Jackson succeeds in places with smart coaches who know how to use him best but I'm not quite sure his throwing is where Mahomes is yet. 

This is not a knock on Jackson, btw; I still think he's an elite athlete and an elite QB, but I think Harbaugh is also maxing out his potential, which wouldn't happen in, say, Detroit. But I'm pretty sure that Jackson will get there and it won't be an issue; may not be even now. 

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9 hours ago, Chiefer said:

Patrick Mahomes in 31 Starts

Passing: 9580 yards, 76 TDs

Rushing 484 yards, 4 TDs


Total: 10,064 Yards, 80 TDs

 

Lamar Jackson in 22 Starts

Passing: 4197 yards, 40 TDs

Rushing 1713 yards, 11 TDs
 

Total: 5910 yards, 51 TDs

 

I'm still taking Mahomes, but why don't we do this a little more fairly. Combined yards, TDs and passing stats on a per 16 games basis.

Patrick Mahomes Passing Statistics for Career Games 2018 to 2019

 
  Games Passing   Passing  
Year Tm G GS QBrec Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD TD% Int Int% Lng Y/A AY/A Y/C Y/G Rate QBR Sk Yds NY/A ANY/A Sk% 4QC GWD
Average 14 14   331.5 503   4351.5 36.5   8                 21 145.5          
Per 16 Games 16 16   379 575   4973 42   9                 24 166
2018-2019 KAN 28 28 21-7-0 663 1006 65.9 8703 73 7.3 16 1.6 89 8.7 9.4 13.1 310.8 110.6   42 291 8.03 8.73 4    

Patrick Mahomes Rushing & Receiving Statistics for Career Games 2018 to 2019

 
  Games Rushing Receiving Total Yds    
Year Tm G GS Att Yds TD Lng Y/A Y/G A/G Tgt Rec Yds Y/R TD Lng R/G Y/G Ctch% Y/Tgt Touch Y/Tch YScm RRTD Fmb
Average 14 14 47 227.5 1.5         0 0 0   0           47   227.5 1.5 6
Per 16 Games 16 16 54 260 2         0 0 0   0           54   260 2 7
2018-2019 KAN 28 28 94 455 3 28 4.8 16.3 3.4 0 0 0   0 0 0.0 0.0     94 4.8 455 3 12

Total Yards: 5233 
Total TD: 44
INT: 9
Completion %: 65.9%
YPA: 8.7
Passer Rating: 110.6
Combined Fumbles: 6.3

 

Lamar Jackson Gamelogs for Career Games 17 to 30 

 
  Games Passing Rushing Scoring Fumbles
Year Tm G GS Cmp Att Inc Cmp% Yds TD Int Rate Sk Yds Y/A AY/A Att Yds Y/A TD TD Pts Fmb FL FF FR Yds TD
Per Game Average 17.5 26.4 8.9   206.4 2.4 0.4   1.6 7.6     11.4 78.8   0.5 0.5 3 0.5 0.1 0 0.2 -0.2 0
Per 16 Games 280 423 143   3302 38 7   26 121     182 1261   8 8 48 8 1 0 3 -3 0
2019-2019 RAV 14 14 245 370 125 66.22 2889 33 6 112.8 23 106 7.81 8.86 159 1103 6.94 7 7 42 7 1 0 3 -3 0

Total Yards: 4563
Total TD: 46
INT: 7
Completion %: 66.2%
YPA: 7.8
Passer Rating: 112.8
Combined Fumbles: 6.9

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