Kirill Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 (edited) 7 hours ago, Edge said: It's not a difficult decision for me. First of all both QBs are absolutely great in what they are doing, but i just have to ask myself one simple question to find an answer. Could Lamar play through the same or a similar leg injury as Mahomes did without a big dropoff in his performance? I doubt that, so i'll take Mahomes. Bingo. Mahomes also just had the 2nd best game of his career in the snow. During the mic'd up he said I spin this **** in any weather. And in his first playing season was a penalty away from the championship. Dude is a GAMER. I guess I'm not really seeing how it's close or even up for debate, but I also appear to be more skeptical than most of a running QB having success in the playoffs. Edited December 20, 2019 by Kirill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyler735 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 16 hours ago, Chiefer said: Mahomes in 29 games: 8987 yards, 73 TDs 465 yards, 3 TDs Total: 9452 yards, 76 TDs Jackson in 30 games: 4090 yards, 39 TDs 1798 yards, 12 TDs Total: 5888 yards, 51 TDs Not an apples to apples comparison. One was a very young rookie QB last season that was raw as a passer that made significant strides in his 2nd season. The other was older had a nearly an entire year of NFL coaching before seeing the field and was much more pro ready as a passer coming into the league. Both have already had historic seasons under their belts within just a few years in the NFL and likely each have an MVP by their 2nd seasons. Just providing those numbers in your post without context is very misleading. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmorecareful Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 3 hours ago, tyler735 said: Not an apples to apples comparison. One was a very young rookie QB last season that was raw as a passer that made significant strides in his 2nd season. The other was older had a nearly an entire year of NFL coaching before seeing the field and was much more pro ready as a passer coming into the league. Both have already had historic seasons under their belts within just a few years in the NFL and likely each have an MVP by their 2nd seasons. Just providing those numbers in your post without context is very misleading. Exactly but what makes it even worse is all of the Patrick Mahomes games are starts while 9 of the Lamar Jackson game aren’t lol... not to mention when mahomes came into his second season with the starting nod it was year two In his system... Lamar had an OC change and had to learn a whole new system coming into this season... I’m talking terminology and all... I can’t knock anyone for preferring Mahomes... he is the truth And is also responsible for 2 of lamars 3 regular season losses... but this stat comp is bogus as it gets 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearerofnews Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 4 hours ago, Kirill said: Bingo. Mahomes also just had the 2nd best game of his career in the snow. During the mic'd up he said I spin this **** in any weather. And in his first playing season was a penalty away from the championship. Dude is a GAMER. I guess I'm not really seeing how it's close or even up for debate, but I also appear to be more skeptical than most of a running QB having success in the playoffs. And youre also a homer. Lamar has thoroughly outplayed Mahomes this year, PASSING. Running, its not even close. Lamar is the most dynamic QB we've ever seen, Mahomes is not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirill Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 23 minutes ago, Bearerofnews said: And youre also a homer. Lamar has thoroughly outplayed Mahomes this year, PASSING. Running, its not even close. Lamar is the most dynamic QB we've ever seen, Mahomes is not. Huh? Chiefs smoked the Ravens earlier in the season without Tyreek Hill. Lamar that game was busy chucking the ball into the stands, like in the playoffs last year. My buddy was in the 10th row behind the endzone and caught a pass from Lamar! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nnivolcm Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 36 minutes ago, Kirill said: Huh? Chiefs smoked the Ravens earlier in the season without Tyreek Hill. Lamar that game was busy chucking the ball into the stands, like in the playoffs last year. My buddy was in the 10th row behind the endzone and caught a pass from Lamar! this year =/= week 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmorecareful Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 1 hour ago, Kirill said: Huh? Chiefs smoked the Ravens earlier in the season without Tyreek Hill. Lamar that game was busy chucking the ball into the stands, like in the playoffs last year. My buddy was in the 10th row behind the endzone and caught a pass from Lamar! Tyreek Hill missed the game very true but so did half the current Ravens defensive starters be it due to injury (Jimmy Smith) or not yet Being on the team (Marcus Peters, Josh Bynes etc,) now I give credit where credit is due but let’s not pretend Lamar and this Ravens squad hasn’t improved immensely since that game... Either way it looks like a good probability we will be seeing y’all soon... This time at the Bank for all the AFC Marbles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RavensDefense3 Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 6 hours ago, Kirill said: Huh? Chiefs smoked the Ravens earlier in the season without Tyreek Hill. Lamar that game was busy chucking the ball into the stands, like in the playoffs last year. My buddy was in the 10th row behind the endzone and caught a pass from Lamar! smoked? It was a one score game and you can't really complain about tyreek being out because 2 of our current top 3 corners and starting safety were out. Half of the players on defense from back then are back ups or on the practice squad now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiefer Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 (edited) Patrick Mahomes in 31 Starts Passing: 9580 yards, 76 TDs Rushing 484 yards, 4 TDs Total: 10,064 Yards, 80 TDs Lamar Jackson in 22 Starts Passing: 4197 yards, 40 TDs Rushing 1713 yards, 11 TDs Total: 5910 yards, 51 TDs Edited December 21, 2019 by Chiefer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RavensDefense3 Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 15 minutes ago, Chiefer said: Patrick Mahomes in 31 Starts Passing: 9580 yards, 76 TDs Rushing 484 yards, 4 TDs Total: 10,064 Yards, 80 TDs Lamar Jackson in 22 Starts Passing: 4197 yards, 40 TDs Rushing 1713 yards, 11 TDs Total: 5910 yards, 51 TDs obviously lamar's stats aren't going to compare to mahomes if you include his rookie year, he wouldn't even be starting if flacco didn't get injured. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diamondbull424 Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 43 minutes ago, Chiefer said: Patrick Mahomes in 31 Starts Passing: 9580 yards, 76 TDs Rushing 484 yards, 4 TDs Total: 10,064 Yards, 80 TDs Lamar Jackson in 22 Starts Passing: 4197 yards, 40 TDs Rushing 1713 yards, 11 TDs Total: 5910 yards, 51 TDs Mahomes was a 23 year old starting in a system he spent a season preparing in behind a quality veteran QB. Lamar was a 21 year old rookie thrown in half way through the season playing in an offense that was designed over a bye week. How about we just wait until the end of the year and compare their MVP seasons in total. Why rush? This is likely the Manning vs Brady debate of this era... we’ll have plenty of time. With Kyler Murray, I feel, being the Drew Brees. Deshaun Watson perhaps being the Phillip Rivers/Big Ben option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lavar703 Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 I think I’d go with Mahomes. I feel like his play is much more sustainable over a longer period of time. Lamar is certainly fun to watch though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 16 hours ago, Bearerofnews said: And youre also a homer. Lamar has thoroughly outplayed Mahomes this year, PASSING. Running, its not even close. Lamar is the most dynamic QB we've ever seen, Mahomes is not. Mahomes is still a better QB. Everyone here knows how much of a Chiefs hater you are. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Bad Example Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 On 11/26/2019 at 3:32 AM, VanS said: Lamar is on pace for roughly 50 total TDs himself this season. And thus far into their career Mahomes is the one who has missed games due to injury not Lamar. I'm taking Lamar right now over ANYBODY. The issue with Lamar is that I think Mahomes succeeds in any number of places; Jackson succeeds in places with smart coaches who know how to use him best but I'm not quite sure his throwing is where Mahomes is yet. This is not a knock on Jackson, btw; I still think he's an elite athlete and an elite QB, but I think Harbaugh is also maxing out his potential, which wouldn't happen in, say, Detroit. But I'm pretty sure that Jackson will get there and it won't be an issue; may not be even now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 (edited) 9 hours ago, Chiefer said: Patrick Mahomes in 31 Starts Passing: 9580 yards, 76 TDs Rushing 484 yards, 4 TDs Total: 10,064 Yards, 80 TDs Lamar Jackson in 22 Starts Passing: 4197 yards, 40 TDs Rushing 1713 yards, 11 TDs Total: 5910 yards, 51 TDs I'm still taking Mahomes, but why don't we do this a little more fairly. Combined yards, TDs and passing stats on a per 16 games basis. Patrick Mahomes Passing Statistics for Career Games 2018 to 2019 Games Passing Passing Year Tm G GS QBrec Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD TD% Int Int% Lng Y/A AY/A Y/C Y/G Rate QBR Sk Yds NY/A ANY/A Sk% 4QC GWD Average 14 14 331.5 503 4351.5 36.5 8 21 145.5 Per 16 Games 16 16 379 575 4973 42 9 24 166 2018-2019 KAN 28 28 21-7-0 663 1006 65.9 8703 73 7.3 16 1.6 89 8.7 9.4 13.1 310.8 110.6 42 291 8.03 8.73 4 Patrick Mahomes Rushing & Receiving Statistics for Career Games 2018 to 2019 Games Rushing Receiving Total Yds Year Tm G GS Att Yds TD Lng Y/A Y/G A/G Tgt Rec Yds Y/R TD Lng R/G Y/G Ctch% Y/Tgt Touch Y/Tch YScm RRTD Fmb Average 14 14 47 227.5 1.5 0 0 0 0 47 227.5 1.5 6 Per 16 Games 16 16 54 260 2 0 0 0 0 54 260 2 7 2018-2019 KAN 28 28 94 455 3 28 4.8 16.3 3.4 0 0 0 0 0 0.0 0.0 94 4.8 455 3 12 Total Yards: 5233 Total TD: 44 INT: 9 Completion %: 65.9% YPA: 8.7 Passer Rating: 110.6 Combined Fumbles: 6.3 Lamar Jackson Gamelogs for Career Games 17 to 30 Games Passing Rushing Scoring Fumbles Year Tm G GS Cmp Att Inc Cmp% Yds TD Int Rate Sk Yds Y/A AY/A Att Yds Y/A TD TD Pts Fmb FL FF FR Yds TD Per Game Average 17.5 26.4 8.9 206.4 2.4 0.4 1.6 7.6 11.4 78.8 0.5 0.5 3 0.5 0.1 0 0.2 -0.2 0 Per 16 Games 280 423 143 3302 38 7 26 121 182 1261 8 8 48 8 1 0 3 -3 0 2019-2019 RAV 14 14 245 370 125 66.22 2889 33 6 112.8 23 106 7.81 8.86 159 1103 6.94 7 7 42 7 1 0 3 -3 0 Total Yards: 4563 Total TD: 46 INT: 7 Completion %: 66.2% YPA: 7.8 Passer Rating: 112.8 Combined Fumbles: 6.9 Edited December 21, 2019 by Danger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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