Dub_City30 Posted January 12, 2020 Share Posted January 12, 2020 2 hours ago, Incarcerated_Scarface said: I think it also has a lot to do with the 12 game winning streak the Ravens had going. It's hard to sustain that. That and the Ravens players were way too high on themselves. Especially ET🤡 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFlaccoSeagulls Posted January 12, 2020 Share Posted January 12, 2020 I think every scenario has different circumstances. Last night, the Ravens offense came out rusty. Lamar was off, the receivers were off, the line was off. Everything was off. Once the Ravens were down 14-0, the coaches panicked and abandoned their identity and tried to just pass the ball 50 times with Lamar, even when they were down by 8 in the 3rd quarter. So last night I would chalk it up to both being rusty and the coaches bailing on the identity that made the Ravens an all-time great offense. I mean, the Ravens gave their RB's 9 TOTAL carries, and had Lamar either carry or pass 82 times. That's not a winning formula no matter how good Lamar Jackson is. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toddfather Posted January 12, 2020 Share Posted January 12, 2020 1 minute ago, AFlaccoSeagulls said: I think every scenario has different circumstances. Last night, the Ravens offense came out rusty. Lamar was off, the receivers were off, the line was off. Everything was off. Once the Ravens were down 14-0, the coaches panicked and abandoned their identity and tried to just pass the ball 50 times with Lamar, even when they were down by 8 in the 3rd quarter. So last night I would chalk it up to both being rusty and the coaches bailing on the identity that made the Ravens an all-time great offense. I mean, the Ravens gave their RB's 9 TOTAL carries, and had Lamar either carry or pass 82 times. That's not a winning formula no matter how good Lamar Jackson is. I think not having Ingram played into that poor choice as well. They thought they had super man. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DontTazeMeBro Posted January 12, 2020 Share Posted January 12, 2020 A lot of them were soft and one dimensional 2011 Saints offense didn’t really fail Dominant front sevens generally seem to win the matchups in the postseason though. Even when they weren’t that good in the regular season and were only good on paper they seem to take over in the playoffs Last night I think the main problem was Jackson not running when there was plenty of space. That’s what got him into college, won him the Heisman, got him drafted, got us the 1 seed, and won him the MVP and at times it looked like he was throwing out of stubbornness. When he can run it should be the 1st option And Tennessee played a great game Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFlaccoSeagulls Posted January 12, 2020 Share Posted January 12, 2020 Just now, Toddfather said: I think not having Ingram played into that poor choice as well. They thought they had super man. Disagree. Ingram received 6/9 RB carries for the team, and in week 17 the Ravens rode Gus Edwards all day long to dismantle Pittsburgh. All week long the Ravens coaches said Gus was ready to roll if he needed to start. Not having Ingram available or at full strength shouldn't have played any part of abandoning our identity, ESPECIALLY considering Gus Edwards was our starting RB just last year! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toddfather Posted January 12, 2020 Share Posted January 12, 2020 1 minute ago, AFlaccoSeagulls said: Disagree. Ingram received 6/9 RB carries for the team, and in week 17 the Ravens rode Gus Edwards all day long to dismantle Pittsburgh. All week long the Ravens coaches said Gus was ready to roll if he needed to start. Not having Ingram available or at full strength shouldn't have played any part of abandoning our identity, ESPECIALLY considering Gus Edwards was our starting RB just last year! no it should not have, but they clearly didn't go to him. Ingram had a good year, that was a big loss. They put way too much on Jackson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bassomatic Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 My hypothesis is that offense can be very momentum-driven, so if there's an extended period of rest, then an offense is prone to misfiring once it has to get going again, especially an elite offense. They say that an offense likes to be on the field, but a defense likes to be on the sideline, so how can an extended period of rest be good for the unit that likes to be on the field? Also, it doesn't help that many (most?) elite offenses are seldom coupled with a defense that can actually stop an opponent, versus simply slowing them down and having the offense outscore them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas5737 Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 I think every situation is unique. Ravens lost because they tried to come back the way the Chiefs did, they just aren't built like that. Sometimes a great passing team faces a pass rush that neutralizes the passing game and that offense can't do what they want. Sometimes they face a team that outscores them. I don't think there is one answer. There is also the any given Sunday in which the outcome makes no sense and players were just off. There is a reason gambling is a gamble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hukos Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 26 minutes ago, Bassomatic said: Also, it doesn't help that many (most?) elite offenses are seldom coupled with a defense that can actually stop an opponent, versus simply slowing them down and having the offense outscore them. With the salary cap, you either build towards an elite offense or an elite defense. You can't pay them both. What we know is that offense is much "sticker" (good offenses tend to be good offenses year in and year out), but defense is a bit more random from year to year. You could have an elite defense in 2019 and it could be perfectly healthy and 2020 and somehow be bottom 5 (see: Jaguars). So offense is generally the safer option, because it gives you more year to year consistency. What's interesting is if defense has the higher valuation in a single year period (having a better statistical defense improves your odds of a championship), even if the odds of keeping your defense great are pretty bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamblinMan99 Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 You can make a serious run in the playoffs with an average offense but an excellent defense.  Offensive turnovers are costly though.  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SotanKing Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 Chiefs did have a historically great offense last year and they did pretty well in playoffs too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broncofan Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 Great D's usually beat great O's - it's what happened to DEN in 2013, and CAR in 2015.  In BAL's case, TEN's D wasn't great, but they had the next best thing - Derrick Henry and a run game that shortened the game to 5-6 possessions each.  When your team is reliant on a great O - TO's are a killer.  The tipped LJax-to-Andrews throw, followed by the 2 4th down failed attempts, created a perfect storm for TEN's ball control O to take over (plus yes, the single bomb). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffee & Contemplation Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 You know how in Space Jam, all the pro athletes had their talent stolen away from them and suddenly they couldn't even win pickup games with randoms? I'm pretty sure that's what actually happened to the 2011 Packers. The unstoppable offense suddenly started dropping every pass thrown their way and fumbling everything else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacman5252 Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 I think it is mostly due to tougher competition.  Passing games aren’t going to break as many chunk plays against top end pass rushes and secondaries. Sub par passing mobile qbs have had dud games as they aren’t going to break contain against top end fronts like Cam vs Denver, Vick against the bucs, Lamar last week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FinSting Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 It's the NFL, you only get one game. Couple minor mistakes and POOF your season is over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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